Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Because taking the guns from gun owners implies legal owners? That will not stop people from getting killed by pistol toting thugs. Legal owners do not kill others.
Are we going to ban aircraft because of the 9-11 attacks?
Are we going to ban alcohol? If you believe what you read, it is the greatest killer in vehicular death.
Are we going to ban steaks because they are responsible for over a thousand choking deaths annually?
It's not the steaks fault, or the cars, or the drink or the etc.
In this country banning things has nothing to do with the actual disappearance of the banned item. Look at what a wonderful success story the war on drugs has been for............ever.
We have a justice system problem. When we get serious about crime, punishment, and prevention, these things will cease to be an issue

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

You're in essence saying:

Airplanes and alcohol are dangerous.
Airplanes and alcohol are not banned.
Therefore we shouldn't ban guns either.

What an absurd and fallacious argument.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

You're in essence saying:


What an absurd and fallacious argument.

No...that's not what he's saying. He's saying there is an overraction going on. You can't use the argument that it kills people. It doesn't. People kill people.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No...that's not what he's saying. He's saying there is an overraction going on. You can't use the argument that it kills people. It doesn't. People kill people.

Well, that's certainly the impression I got from Hog's quote. Further, I think Saden's sentiment is correct.

Saden's point (I think) is that, even though the use of each can result in death (as correctly asserted by Hog), guns, alchohol and planes pose different problems for and different types of the threats to public safety and to assert (as Hog does) that the possible solution for the threat/problem posed by guns is equally applicable to the different threats/problems posed by planes or alchohol - is illogical.

Fact is, because of the inherent danger presented by the use and/or availability of guns, they should be heavily regulated just like any other inherently dangerous machines/objects/devices.

Last I checked the private use of airplanes is heavily regulated (FAA anybody) - Can't fly a plane through the middle of town, can you? Same with alchohol - Can't buy alchohol unless your of a certain age. can you? Given the danger presented by guns, it seems perfectly reasonable for the public to expect, just as with planes and alchohol, that limitations be placed on who can have them and restrictions exist as to the public places you can carry them.

As I said before, people kill people - guns just make it easier to do so. For that reason, their use and availability should be subject to strict regulation AND unlawful ownership or their misuse of them should be severely punished.

[Lady Brave]

Building jails and prisons is not that easy. People don't want to pay for them. Guilford County (where I work) has been told repeatedly by the State that we have to reduce overcrowding and need to build a new jail in Greensboro. However, our dumbass democratic commissioners have dug their heels in and they contend we simply need more "programs" in order to reduce overcrowding. It's all politics with them and it will most likely take one of our officers getting killed before someone will realize the seriousness of the situation.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

You're in essence saying:


What an absurd and fallacious argument.

It is pure fantasy, and fallacy, regarding my alleged absurd, and fallacious arguement.
HOWEVER, I think your outrage blinded you to the larger message. Inanimate objects are not evil, and they don't kill people. That is what people do. Until something changes with...........people, People will always find a...........weapon to kill with

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It is pure fantasy, and fallacy, regarding my alleged absurd, and fallacious arguement.
HOWEVER, I think your outrage blinded you to the larger message. Inanimate objects are not evil, and they don't kill people. That is what people do. Until something changes with...........people, People will always find a...........weapon to kill with

Very true...so instead of blaming the object, why not blame the person and create stiffer penalties for people that abuse them?
For instance, drunk driving...those are some of the most leinant laws in the country, yet they are a driving around in a killing machine. Most of the time, a 1 time offender gets a slap on the wrist.
We need more jails, and we can afford to build and maintain them...we need to go back to chain gangs etc, and we need to make people pay for their mistakes.

[dmek25]

yeah, yeah, yeah. if someone in law enforcement came up to you, and said you could save a child's life by turning in your gun, would you? i don't get the whole" i have a gun, I'm macho" thing. in this area, there are thousands of people that are hunters. explain to me the enjoyment of shooting Bambi, or Bambi's dad? i just don't get it

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

yeah, yeah, yeah. if someone in law enforcement came up to you, and said you could save a child's life by turning in your gun, would you? i don't get the whole" i have a gun, I'm macho" thing. in this area, there are thousands of people that are hunters. explain to me the enjoyment of shooting Bambi, or Bambi's dad? i just don't get it

Yes, I would
If you are asking me if I would advocate the banning of all weapons in the hands of the citizens in this country under the same scenario, I would not.
Actually, for me (and I have hunted, fished, etc. all my life) the older I get the less importance actually killing something takes on. Don't get me wrong, I love to eat our wild friends. It's more of the experience rather than the act of killing.
Possibly in your eyes, you see that as something of an atrocity. In my eyes, it's more of a harvesting issue, or something akin to it. I always feel a little guilt. Like it or not somebody has to do. We as humans have continued to encroach wild habitat. It does not go well for the animal world. They cannot all survive, if left to do so.
Something as a sidebar. Revenue generated from Hunting, and fishing licensing and associated expenses paid by outdoorsmen, and women foot the bill for the lions share of conservation efforts in this country.
PS, I find it VERY relaxing to go to the gun range for a couple of hours. Not sure why, but it has that effect on me

Thankyou Charlton Heston

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Yes, I would
If you are asking me if I would advocate the banning of all weapons in the hands of the citizens in this country under the same scenario, I would not.
Actually, for me (and I have hunted, fished, etc. all my life) the older I get the less importance actually killing something takes on. Don't get me wrong, I love to eat our wild friends. It's more of the experience rather than the act of killing.
Possibly in your eyes, you see that as something of an atrocity. In my eyes, it's more of a harvesting issue, or something akin to it. I always feel a little guilt. Like it or not somebody has to do. We as humans have continued to encroach wild habitat. It does not go well for the animal world. They cannot all survive, if left to do so.
Something as a sidebar. Revenue generated from Hunting, and fishing licensing and associated expenses paid by outdoorsmen, and women foot the bill for the lions share of conservation efforts in this country.
PS, I find it VERY relaxing to go to the gun range for a couple of hours. Not sure why, but it has that effect on me

Thankyou Charlton Heston

We have a gun range outside of town in the middle of nowhere. It's just an open area of dirt with piled dirt at around 150 yards. You can set stuff up and use it as target practice, it's actually quite fun, and very beneficial to understand how your gun works and how to tweek it's site.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

We have a gun range outside of town in the middle of nowhere. It's just an open area of dirt with piled dirt at around 150 yards. You can set stuff up and use it as target practice, it's actually quite fun, and very beneficial to understand how your gun works and how to tweek it's site.

We had the same thing in an area just South of I-75 (Alligator Alley) on the West side just out of Naples, that was not regulated by anyone(really). It was part of a govt project that stalled. Sort of like no-mans land. I must say, the first time I went, I thought it would be a bunch of drunken toothless locals, shootin' up the area on the bad side of a case of Busch. It was very civil and in general good safe range practices observed. A you say you could do what you wanted within reason. Naturally, it no longer exists as of a year ago. I am now relegated to the "pay" ranges.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

We had the same thing in an area just South of I-75 (Alligator Alley) on the West side just out of Naples, that was not regulated by anyone(really). It was part of a govt project that stalled. Sort of like no-mans land. I must say, the first time I went, I thought it would be a bunch of drunken toothless locals, shootin' up the area on the bad side of a case of Busch. It was very civil and in general good safe range practices observed. A you say you could do what you wanted within reason. Naturally, it no longer exists as of a year ago. I am now relegated to the "pay" ranges.

I think I went there about 4 or 5 years ago. My best friend lives in Fort Myers, and I travel there at least once a year. He's an avid gun collector.
I remember him getting pissed about something closing and he could no longer just take his guns outside.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

yeah, yeah, yeah. if someone in law enforcement came up to you, and said you could save a child's life by turning in your gun, would you? i don't get the whole" i have a gun, I'm macho" thing. in this area, there are thousands of people that are hunters. explain to me the enjoyment of shooting Bambi, or Bambi's dad? i just don't get it

Well in this area its not a big deal if someone owns a gun and they don't go around waving it around to be a big shot. Now yes we have thug's in some areas who donot respect guns but most people do and like I said its no big deal. when I was in high scholl back in the 80's kids had trucks with gun racks with guns in them. It was not an issue as they where used for hunting and target shooting. I do not hunt but the deer population in our area is growing every year and hunting helps control there numbers. If a person who hunts eats what they kill it does not bother me its when someone shoots something just to kill it is when I get ticked. I have several friends who hunt and respect the wild as much as anyone I know and they only shoot what they consume. I enjoy fishing how about you?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

yeah, yeah, yeah. if someone in law enforcement came up to you, and said you could save a child's life by turning in your gun, would you? i don't get the whole" i have a gun, I'm macho" thing. in this area, there are thousands of people that are hunters. explain to me the enjoyment of shooting Bambi, or Bambi's dad? i just don't get it

How would that even be a feasible scenario? Did micheal moore say that or something, cause in no way would it be true in giving up your gun you could save a child.
However, for the sake of argument, if it could be proven that it would save a child, then absolutely. To me, I own guns because 1- my self protection, 2- to save the lives of those that deserve saving. (by deserving, I am referring to those that do not use gun as a fear device or as an actual weapon against fellow human beings)
It has nothing to do with being "macho", it has to do with taking my own safety in my own hands. You can believe that you will never face a scenario that would require a gun, I don't believe it. I know that break-ins are on the rise, I prefer to be protected from that. If you don't, more power to you, but don't tell me I can't.
About killing "bambi". Being an animal rights activist, I have a HUGE problem with people that kill for the sport of it, or the trophy. However, animals were put on this earth for us to eat them, deer being one of those that is good to eat. I personally like Elk better than Deer, but I understand it's tastey to people. I can't kill another animal like that. I can't kill a cow, but I can eat the product. I'm betting you eat cow right? So while I'm sure you can't understand killing Ms. Milky Milkerson, you reap the rewards by eating her flesh.

[Hog1]

If you check him out, he gets crucified in the press for enforcing living conditons to prisoners that our troops would love to have. Only in America....go figure

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

If you check him out, he gets crucified in the press for enforcing living conditons to prisoners that our troops would love to have. Only in America....go figure

That really doesn't surprise me. Like I've said before, we live in a country that no one wants to take self responsibility. We don't teach it, and we don't enforce it. It's no wonder there are those pussies out there that complain about a guy like that.
He should have a freakin statue built in his honor.