The legacy of 'W'?

[saden1]

Has anyone in here seen the most recent episode of Bill Moyers Journal? If you haven't, it's an absolute must see!

[Daseal]

Does anyone else find it slightly ironic that SBF always talks about how much liberals / ACLU folks whine. Yet I see SBF whine about everything. Someone voices their opinion (a la my thoughts on Jerry Fawell) he cries that the post should be removed. Then when we have a good discussion which doesn't lean towards Bush (as a majority of the country doesn't) he gets upset and adds another controversial post. Take some of your own advice SBF, if you don't like the threads don't try to keep others from having a civil discussion.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

All good points 12th man. But, I tend to give Bush a pass for Katrina if for no other reason than it is impossible to take a totally destroyed city and expect to have the recovery go smoothly.

And, Crazyhorse, I still don't understand how anyone can be honest with themselves and think Bush is a Godsend or pure evil. If you think he's a Godsend you probably should stop listening to Savage Nation, watching Fox News, and hanging out at Sunday School. If you think he's pure evil (which, apparently, you do), you should probably stop listening to Air America, watching Bill Maher, and hanging out with fellow liberal arts professors.

I think it's pretty amazing that conservatives adore a guy who clearly doesn't believe in fiscal responsibility (see our ridiculous budget), small government (see the Patriot Act), or a "conservative" foreign policy (see Iraq). I think it's equally amazing that liberals literally hate the guy for detaining people at Gitmo when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and FDR imprisoned thousands of totally innocent civilians in prison camps, abusing the judicial system when FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court to get his unconstitutional legislation passed, and for keeping us involved in a civil war when those same people want us to get involved in Darfur and backed the interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo.

There, I've managed to annoy both conservatives and liberals.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

All good points 12th man. But, I tend to give Bush a pass for Katrina if for no other reason than it is impossible to take a totally destroyed city and expect to have the recovery go smoothly.

And, Crazyhorse, I still don't understand how anyone can be honest with themselves and think Bush is a Godsend or pure evil. If you think he's a Godsend you probably should stop listening to Savage Nation, watching Fox News, and hanging out at Sunday School. If you think he's pure evil (which, apparently, you do), you should probably stop listening to Air America, watching Bill Maher, and hanging out with fellow liberal arts professors.

I think it's pretty amazing that conservatives adore a guy who clearly doesn't believe in fiscal responsibility (see our ridiculous budget), small government (see the Patriot Act), or a "conservative" foreign policy (see Iraq). I think it's equally amazing that liberals literally hate the guy for detaining people at Gitmo when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and FDR imprisoned thousands of totally innocent civilians in prison camps, abusing the judicial system when FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court to get his unconstitutional legislation passed, and for keeping us involved in a civil war when those same people want us to get involved in Darfur and backed the interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo.

There, I've managed to annoy both conservatives and liberals.

It's not so much that I'm blaming him, but I don't see that same motivation, the same difience, if you will, in getting involved in New Orleans that I see with Iraq. I fully understand that the reality of war and the reality of re-building a city are two different issues, but I don't see the press conferences; I don't see or him publicly speak about progress being made there; I don't hear testimonies about people returning to a ward that has been rebuilt; I don't see him talk about new initiatives to get people mobilized and back home. You see what I'm saying? I really think his hands were tied on the levies. They didn't all of a sudden decide to erode and break under Bush, Jr., but it's coming up on two years now, and I'm starting to scratch my head as to where we are.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

All fair points 12th Man. I can't really argue with your last post.

[dmek25]

matty, you started out civil, but have got more and more intense with your posts. why? because some people see a spade, but yet call it a diamond?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dmek25

matty, you started out civil, but have got more and more intense with your posts. why? because some people see a spade, but yet call it a diamond?

huh? I've barely contributed to this thread.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

huh? I've barely contributed to this thread.

Some of us are still waiting for your 1 positive on GW.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Some of us are still waiting for your 1 positive on GW.

I've probably gotten more laughter out of him than any other President.

Anytime he opens his mouth something laughable is bound to come out.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've probably gotten more laughter out of him than any other President.

Anytime he opens his mouth something laughable is bound to come out.

While I admit, I chuckled at that comment from you, that is in no way a positive. Try again.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've probably gotten more laughter out of him than any other President.

Anytime he opens his mouth something laughable is bound to come out.

He helped launched Will Ferrell's career!

[dmek25]

didn't they just release a new bin laden video? i really think if anyone in this administration thought he was dead, it would be a big announcement on fox news

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Reading this article got me wondering, when it's all said and done what do you think W's legacy will be? In 25 years when we look back, how do you think he will be perceived?

I mean c'mon, let's face it the guy came into office riding a mountain of controversy over the 2000 election, and he's enjoyin "rock-bottom poll numbers" as this article puts it.

I think the question is worth asking, is he the worst President we've seen to date?

Unpopular Bush risks little by staying course

Andrew Johnson and Ulysses S. Grant were phenomially worse presidents. Johnson was nearly the 1st Impeached President in U.S. history. Primarily because of his stubbornness and laziness. Grant had the most corrupt administration in history primarily using his presidency to get rich. He was a master of the Quid pro Quo.

[saden1]

Well said Smooty. I honestly don't get people who are still stuck in 2000. The man won and not only that but he won again in 2004. Time to move on and look to the future.

I don't even read the stuff Crazyhorse1 writes anymore because it's just a big rant along with some preaching. It's old and tired.

p.s. Obama for president because it feels right.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

Well said Smooty. I honestly don't get people who are still stuck in 2000. The man won and not only that but he won again in 2004. Time to move on and look to the future.

I don't even read the stuff Crazyhorse1 writes anymore because it's just a big rant along with some preaching. It's old and tired.

p.s. Obama for president because it feels right.

What happened to Ron Paul? I still have this gut feeling Gore is going to enter the race