Just plain ugly

[Redskin]

Wow classic skins fans we win and we lose we are not happy we win and we are not happy. It was a sloppy game on both sides and there were a lot of penalties. Dont gage the value of this win yet see how the dolphins do a little later this year they ar enot the same team they were last year. Also look at the bright side CP looked pretty good.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I must say that it concerns me a bit that it seems that JG lost confidence JC to go out and win the game with his arm. After those 2 Ints. Joe G. appeared to rely on the run to bail us out of trouble. That was more evident towards the end of the game. Mad props towards the O-line for opening up those holes for our running backs. The O-line, along with Suisham get my game ball. Get well soon Jon J.

and cooleys 1 crucial catch?

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No it's not...read it again..."change the position of their feet", not move from their set position to another position on the other side of the field. So they are in the same relative area, but went into a 3 point stance, or shifted slightly to the left or something of that nature.
It does not say anything about running to a new position.
And that seems like it would be a false start to me.

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

Anyways, Im sure you are just going to keep on believing what you want and thats fine.Gibbs and I will continue to think otherwise.

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Here is the article that says it all:
Article 5 At the snap, all offensive players must be stationary in their positions:
(a) without any movement of feet, head, or arms;
(b) without swaying of body; and
(c) without moving directly forward except that one player only and he, playing in a
backfield position, may be in motion provided he is moving, parallel to, obliquely
backward from, or directly backward from the line of scrimmage at snap.

It's on page 41 FYI.

You do realize that the ball had not been snapped yet when they threw the flag dont you.That means this rule cant possibly apply to this situation.Its the first three words of the rule " At the snap".

[Cowell]

Are we still arguing about this? This is ridiculous, obviously if what everyone is so confident is true then 2 people can't be in motion at once. This is not a tough rule to grasp this argument has been going on way too long.

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by Cowell

Are we still arguing about this? This is ridiculous, obviously if what everyone is so confident is true then 2 people can't be in motion at once. This is not a tough rule to grasp this argument has been going on way too long.

Is it too hard to grasp that a shift is not a motion?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Have you not watched any football over the years? (not trying to be sarcastic, just curious) It is well known that you can not have 2 people in motion at the same time.

Actually, you can have two players "in motion" prior to the snap. You are not reading the NFL rules closely enough. Although multiple players can move prior to the snap, only one player can be in motion within 1 second of the ball being snapped. Next time you watch Peyton, you will see him make a call at the line and shift two or more players within a few seconds of the snap.

If you care enough, I'll dig up multiple vids of Peyton shifting loads of guys all around before the snap. Right now, I'm too lazy. Or, please re-read the rule you just cited.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

Anyways, Im sure you are just going to keep on believing what you want and thats fine.Gibbs and I will continue to think otherwise.

I should have read your post before I just posted. You captured exactly what I wanted, but failed, to say.

[SmootSmack]

Let's ask Jerry

When a quarterback calls an audible that forces multiple players to shift, bringing the fullback into a splitback formation and moving an X receiver to the slot, what keeps this from garnering a flag for illegal motion? I was under the impression that if two or more players where in motion on offense at the same time, this was a penalty. --Richie

A shift is the action of two or more offensive players, who prior to the snap, after having assumed a set position, simultaneously change the position of their feet by pivoting to or assuming a set position with either one foot or both feet. Any number of offensive players can change positions, as you describe. But all must be stationary for one full second when the ball is snapped. Only one offensive player can be legally in motion when the ball is snapped. It's a penalty for two or more players in motion only if they fail to stop before the snap.

Ask Jerry Markbreit on ChicagoSports.com

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

I understand what you're saying, I think I misunderstood you before.