McNabb says black QBs criticized more

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

This whole NBA thing started from the McNabb thing. The whole point was, how can you see racism in the QB front, but not in the NBA?
Fact is, after this conversation, I will go back to fogetting about it, cause I'm not a big fan of basketball. But if you are trying to make an assertion of racism where there is not, why not look where it actually is?
Sometimes you need to follow along with the conversation, not jump around.

My man, do you know that you sound like Jessie Jackson?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Come on dude, there is just as much racism in the black community as there is in the white, if not more. And it's taught to black people every day just as you pointed out. Let's not make this another "it's the white person's fault". Don't think I am accurrate? If you are black, ask yourself how many white players jersey's you have, and how many black players jersey's you have. I have 4 white players, and 18 black players. How many times do you see a black person with a white players jersey on their back? Sure it happens, but not very often. Why is it most white people can see a player as a player regardless of color, but a lot of black people have to make the separation of race? Why not just see it as the human race (as corny as that sounds). When I saw Pedro Martinez on the mound, I didn't see a guy from the dominican republic, I saw a member of the Red Sox going after a world series ring. When I see Jason Campbell lead us to victory, I don't see a black QB, I see a redskins QB who is trying to win us a game.

I understand the world is not ready to hear about the fact that racism is more alive in the minds of a lot of black people...and for the record, I know a lot of black people here that are classy and wonderful, and have not seen racism in them...I am speaking in generics, and this topic gets very dicey. My intent is not to offend...and I will likely refrain from further topic on this because this could get very ugly and I don't want that. I enjoy most of the people on this site, and enjoy the views, and I wish to keep it that way.

First and foremost I respect your view and your sincerity with not wanting to offend anyone. I would like to respond to your comments about what I said. When you spoke of racism among Black people it should be understood that racism is predjudice +power. The ability to include and exclude. Black people do not have the power to affect other Black or White people's ability to buy a house, car or obtain a business loan.

As far as what jersey people wear is based on their on own individual taste or the player they most admire. As for me, my favorite player hands down is John Riggins. I grew up in D.C. which was 95% black at that time and I recognized the genius of a white RB just like thousands of other black children did. You know black people do not have to be taught to love white athletes or white people in general, because everything around us told us to respect and value everyones culture except our own. There are some Black QB's I like and some I don't particularly care for. But overall, its about celebrating the diverse experiences we have and respecting each other even if we don't understand all of the complexities they present.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

First and foremost I respect your view and your sincerity with not wanting to offend anyone. I would like to respond to your comments about what I said. When you spoke of racism among Black people it should be understood that racism is predjudice +power. The ability to include and exclude. Black people do not have the power to affect other Black or White people's ability to buy a house, car or obtain a business loan.

As far as what jersey people wear is based on their on own individual taste or the player they most admire. As for me, my favorite player hands down is John Riggins. I grew up in D.C. which was 95% black at that time and I recognized the genius of a white RB just like thousands of other black children did. You know black people do not have to be taught to love white athletes or white people in general, because everything around us told us to respect and value everyones culture except our own. There are some Black QB's I like and some I don't particularly care for. But overall, its about celebrating the diverse experiences we have and respecting each other even if we don't understand all of the complexities they present.

Very good post, and thank you for your civility. You make very good points.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

First and foremost I respect your view and your sincerity with not wanting to offend anyone. I would like to respond to your comments about what I said. When you spoke of racism among Black people it should be understood that racism is predjudice +power. The ability to include and exclude. Black people do not have the power to affect other Black or White people's ability to buy a house, car or obtain a business loan.

Hogwash! By that standard anyone that doesn't have power can't be racist. I would rather we don't reclassify racist skinheads who have no more power than toilet paper exclusive to the racists circle.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by saden1

Hogwash! By that standard anyone that doesn't have power can't be racist. I would rather we don't reclassify racist skinheads who have no more power than toilet paper exclusive to the racists circle.

If I am understanding SUNRA correctly he was referring to the term "racism" and his description is true. Racism refers to a systematic oppression of one group by another, based on racial inequality. So, it would be difficult to say that the "black community" as a whole engages in racism against the white community as a whole.

The problem of course is that in today's day and age we're a global community and you probably have more of a communal connection with Redskins fans over the Internet than say with the guy who lives in the house down the street from you. Traditional definitions of ethnicity and communities are pretty much broken and things are not as black and white as a lot of talking heads would like you to believe (because that makes for good press).

However, to your point, saying the black community can't engage in racism is somewhat semantical; I'd say that I'm not a member of the power white elite that can really engage in racism against the black community, either. But in either case both black and white people are certainly capable of racist behavior or prejudicial / bigoted actions, thoiught and speech. Black vs white is only one dimension, but introduce asian and hispanic ethnicities into the equation and you see a lot of historical tension between cultures.

[Cowell]

Honestly Donovan is dumb for bringing this up. If anything he might have just sparked a more racial look at quarterbacks. I mean of course it had occurred to me that Jason Campbell was black but I never looked at it that way. And lets not forget and I think the one good thing Charles Barkley did in the booth Monday night was saying how the fans in Philly are tough. They don't really care if you get them to the NFC Championship 3 years in a row they want a Super Bowl. Alas, racism is going to continue to live on as long as people like Donovan McNabb and Jessie Jackson keep doing what they are doing.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Cowell

Honestly Donovan is dumb for bringing this up. If anything he might have just sparked a more racial look at quarterbacks. I mean of course it had occurred to me that Jason Campbell was black but I never looked at it that way. And lets not forget and I think the one good thing Charles Barkley did in the booth Monday night was saying how the fans in Philly are tough. They don't really care if you get them to the NFC Championship 3 years in a row they want a Super Bowl. Alas, racism is going to continue to live on as long as people like Donovan McNabb and Jessie Jackson keep doing what they are doing.

Very good points.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Cowell

Alas, racism is going to continue to live on as long as people like Donovan McNabb and Jessie Jackson keep doing what they are doing.

Or as long as white people think that blacks are handed things on a silver platter and, if only they could click their heels and be black, everything would magically be better. There are a lot of racist black people who hate whites and blame their failures on whites, but there are a lot of white people who hate blacks and/or blame their own inadequacies and failings on reverse racism.

I'm done with this one. I don't see it going anywhere. Good luck and be nice to one another.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Cowell

Honestly Donovan is dumb for bringing this up. If anything he might have just sparked a more racial look at quarterbacks. I mean of course it had occurred to me that Jason Campbell was black but I never looked at it that way. And lets not forget and I think the one good thing Charles Barkley did in the booth Monday night was saying how the fans in Philly are tough. They don't really care if you get them to the NFC Championship 3 years in a row they want a Super Bowl. Alas, racism is going to continue to live on as long as people like Donovan McNabb and Jessie Jackson keep doing what they are doing.

Cowell.....I'm of the opinion that racism is going to live on as long as we continue to live in a world dominated by white supremacy. This racial divide in America is nothing new to me, I go back to the late 30's. I was there when the first African American QB (James Harris) played his first game in the NFL, where were you? I was there when Warren Moon couldn't get work as a QB in the NFL, had to go to Canada, where were you? I was there when Jim Brown, every time he was tackled after carring the Browns on his back was spat upon and humiliated, called the infamous "N" word, where were you? I was there when it was said no African American would ever play QB in the NFL/or play the Center position, or the MLB position, where were you? I was there when it was said no white QB would ever put his hands up a black man's ass to recieve the ball, thus the Center position was off limits as well for blacks, where were you?

Further, the very team we talk about, and write about here every day was at one time one of the most racist teams in the NFL. They had an owner who vowed no African American players would ever play for him. He pledged to sell the team before he would have one in his employ, thankfully, Edward Bennett Williams put him out of his misery, where were you?

I said all this to say, what McNabb said does not begin to scratch the surface as to just what a racial institution the NFL is, and always has been. It's just unfortunate that many are much too young to be able to grasp the true significance. I can tell you some racial stories about the NFL that would make your head spin, but I've said more already than I actually had intended too.

Good luck with your formula, if you have one that will rid America of this disease called racism.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Good luck with your formula, if you have one that will rid America of this disease called racism.

The only formula that's going to cure the disease is time * commitment.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by dgack

The only formula that's going to cure the disease is time * commitment.

I have always been commited to the cure, much of my work is dedicated to that end, but unfortunately I'm slowly running out of time.

[jsarno]

This thread has taken an awful turn, for all those I offended, I sincerely apologize, and I bow out.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

give me a break. if he plays better or ever won a big game people wouldnt complain about his play. damn all the sport guys always complain about manning before he won the superbowl.

[jsarno]

I know this is off subject, but I am curious...why is it players like David Ortiz, or Vlad, or Pedro Martinez are not considered black?
(despite the obvious that they are from the "dominican republic")

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I know this is off subject, but I am curious...why is it players like David Ortiz, or Vlad, or Pedro Martinez are not considered black?
(despite the obvious that they are from the "dominican republic")

Some consider themselves black while others don't despite what appears to be the obvious. Race classification doesn't work in Latin America the way it works here in America. Here is a snippet from wikipeida that hits the nail on the head.

Of a total population of 549,549,000 [in South America] an estimated 100 million are Afro Latin-American [5][6]. Approximately 5% of the Latin American population identify themselves or are classified by census takers as being primarily of black ancestry. A further 16% of the population is mulatto, while Zambos are a small minority. By combining all three, another definition of Afro-Latin American is arrived at, one that in Latin America would be widely considered overly broad. (In fact, it would more resemble the one drop rule commonly accepted in the United States). By such a definition, about one-fourth of Latin America's population would be Afro-Latin American. Another fairly large minority probably has at least some black African ancestry.