If Not Joe, Then Who?

Reverend Redskin · 12-03-2007, 06:06 PM

I said Grimm. Maybe an old hog with a fresh approach is what we desperately need.

21InOurHearts · 12-03-2007, 08:58 PM

This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook!

724Skinsfan · 12-03-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 21InOurHearts

This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook!

I like this line of thinking. Bring in someone with some fairly recent college coaching credentials, but also coming from an NFL coaching pedigree. I haven't researched a list of possible candidates, which I know everyone wants but I'll work on it....later.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-03-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 21InOurHearts

This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook!

Welcome. But don't you think Saunders' playbook is pretty modern. We've been running a lot of trick plays and have been pretty pass-happy these past few weeks. Unfortunately, the line isn't blocking, the players at the skill positions aren't executing, and JC is playing well but is making mistakes at critical times.

21InOurHearts · 12-03-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Welcome. But don't you think Saunders' playbook is pretty modern. We've been running a lot of trick plays and have been pretty pass-happy these past few weeks. Unfortunately, the line isn't blocking, the players at the skill positions aren't executing, and JC is playing well but is making mistakes at critical times.

Agreed, Saunder playbook is modern, but we need someone to who is able to fully utilize that playbook and understand it. I think Gibbs and Saunders have problems relating in situations because their philosophies are soooo very different. I would not have even minded and end around to Moss on that third and 8 yesterday. I say Gibbs goes to President, Williams and Saunders stay where they are and bring in Bud Foster haha, he will have to listen to the other 2 on basic seniority principles!

SmootSmack · 12-03-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 21InOurHearts

This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook!

Welcome to the board. I just don't think we have the patience for what the Steelers have done. We don't have it for a HOF coach, I doubt we'd have it for an up and comer.

I would like to see someone (Byner maybe?) move up to a more prominent role on the staff though

GMScud · 12-03-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 21InOurHearts

This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook!

Welcome. I like your sig.

Fortunately if Cowher did come here, Jason Campbell is no Kordell Stewart. He's actually quite a bit similar to Roethlisberger...

Riggo44 · 12-03-2007, 08:58 PM

I hope Gibbs is coach for another 5 years. Injuries have killed us this year. I wish we could see what this team could do if health for a hole season. I Gibbs did leave me thin Williams deserves a shot. I just hope he does better the Rich Pedibon did after Gibbs retired the first time.

skinsguy · 12-03-2007, 08:59 PM

Well, assuming Joe didn't come back for season 5, I have no idea who I would want as Head Coach. Honestly, I'm just tired of the head coaching experiements. Cowher seems to be the sought after guy. Gregg Williams is a popular choice, because he's firey and he's already here in Washington. Russ Grimm is also a popular choice because of the Redskins nostolgic influence. I have to look at this from a logical perspective. Gregg Williams has already been unsuccessful as a head coach. It took Cowher years to finally win a Super Bowl, although he hardly ever coached a losing season. Russ Grimm has yet to be head coach, so he's an unknown. I'd personally go with Russ Grimm.

21InOurHearts · 12-03-2007, 09:37 PM

Thanks for the welcome. I have had season tickets for 6 years now, I have driven from Radford,Virginia, Harrisonburg, VA, Newport News, Virginia and now live in the area. I just want to see this team get it right. I think they had it right with Gibbs, he has set a good foundation we just need a good project manager to come in and finish the job. Maybe that is a Cowher, I just want my friends to look at me and say damn he is lucky to be a Redskins fan!

djnemo65 · 12-03-2007, 11:40 PM

Cowher just strikes me as the kind of typical Skins move that would be predestined to fail. The media would be all over us before he walked through the door, the expectations would be unrealistic from the outset, we'd lose a couple close ones and then the wheels would come off. Cue the media-mocking and local talk radio venom. Seen this movie before.

The problem I have with Williams is that in Buffalo, not only was he unsuccessful, but his team ended up quitting on him. He lost them. It's one thing to fail but have players sticking up for you, saying don't blame coach blame us for not making the plays (which is not that unusual on losing teams). That wasn't the case in Buffalo. That being said he seems to be pretty respected in the Skins locker room with the players so who knows.

But I voted for Grimm. That's what we haven't tried yet during the Snyder era, hiring an up and coming coordinator who is hungry and innovative and ready to put in the work. Grimm makes the most sense because of his ties to the organization but there's a lot of starving coordinators out there we could take a look at.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2007, 11:49 PM

I like Grimm. But I don't think of him as innovative per se.

BleedBurgundy · 12-04-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like Grimm. But I don't think of him as innovative per se.

I think the whole "innovative" thing is somewhat overrated. I'd be happy with running the counter tre every other play if we were getting first downs and finishing drives with touchdowns. Whoever can motivate these players to execute up to their ability is who I want to coach. I think that's still Joe Gibbs. I think this 2nd time around has been tough but I truly believe that we are going to be a very strong team next year. I want one more year of Gibbs 2.0 before I'm ready to throw in the towel on a HOF coach who has the players' respect.

hagams · 12-04-2007, 09:07 AM

I wanted to pick Gregg for obvious reasons, but if it ain't broke....Bill will bring a more hard nosed approach to the team. Gibbs is kinda laid back, and let's the players set the tempo. I will welcome anyone on the current coaching staff, except for Al. Don't like him, never have never will.

irish · 12-04-2007, 09:26 AM

I voted for other but I dont have a name. I want the Skins to find the next Mike Tomlin or some other young coach that can establish his system and stay awhile if it workd.

Cowher would never work with this team as they are now too used to Gibbs easy-going, we are all family ways. He's too loud and too harsh on the players. He would never work with these guys.

View Poll Results: If Gibbs Doesn't Return, Who Should Be the Head Coach?
Bill Cowher	60	30.00%
Russ Grimm	45	22.50%
Al Saunders	9	4.50%
Gregg Williams	68	34.00%
Other (tell us who)	18	9.00%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

12-03-2007, 06:06 PM	#1
Reverend Redskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Walkerton, IN Age: 53 Posts: 19	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I said Grimm. Maybe an old hog with a fresh approach is what we desperately need.

12-03-2007, 08:58 PM	#2
21InOurHearts Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maryland, Originally VA. Posts: 11	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook! __________________ "Football Is Easy if you're Crazy as Hell" Bo Jackson.

12-03-2007, 08:58 PM	#8
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 52 Posts: 2,390	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I hope Gibbs is coach for another 5 years. Injuries have killed us this year. I wish we could see what this team could do if health for a hole season. I Gibbs did leave me thin Williams deserves a shot. I just hope he does better the Rich Pedibon did after Gibbs retired the first time. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

12-03-2007, 08:59 PM	#9
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Well, assuming Joe didn't come back for season 5, I have no idea who I would want as Head Coach. Honestly, I'm just tired of the head coaching experiements. Cowher seems to be the sought after guy. Gregg Williams is a popular choice, because he's firey and he's already here in Washington. Russ Grimm is also a popular choice because of the Redskins nostolgic influence. I have to look at this from a logical perspective. Gregg Williams has already been unsuccessful as a head coach. It took Cowher years to finally win a Super Bowl, although he hardly ever coached a losing season. Russ Grimm has yet to be head coach, so he's an unknown. I'd personally go with Russ Grimm. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

12-03-2007, 09:37 PM	#10
21InOurHearts Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Maryland, Originally VA. Posts: 11	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Thanks for the welcome. I have had season tickets for 6 years now, I have driven from Radford,Virginia, Harrisonburg, VA, Newport News, Virginia and now live in the area. I just want to see this team get it right. I think they had it right with Gibbs, he has set a good foundation we just need a good project manager to come in and finish the job. Maybe that is a Cowher, I just want my friends to look at me and say damn he is lucky to be a Redskins fan! __________________ "Football Is Easy if you're Crazy as Hell" Bo Jackson.

12-03-2007, 11:40 PM	#11
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Cowher just strikes me as the kind of typical Skins move that would be predestined to fail. The media would be all over us before he walked through the door, the expectations would be unrealistic from the outset, we'd lose a couple close ones and then the wheels would come off. Cue the media-mocking and local talk radio venom. Seen this movie before. The problem I have with Williams is that in Buffalo, not only was he unsuccessful, but his team ended up quitting on him. He lost them. It's one thing to fail but have players sticking up for you, saying don't blame coach blame us for not making the plays (which is not that unusual on losing teams). That wasn't the case in Buffalo. That being said he seems to be pretty respected in the Skins locker room with the players so who knows. But I voted for Grimm. That's what we haven't tried yet during the Snyder era, hiring an up and coming coordinator who is hungry and innovative and ready to put in the work. Grimm makes the most sense because of his ties to the organization but there's a lot of starving coordinators out there we could take a look at.

12-03-2007, 11:49 PM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I like Grimm. But I don't think of him as innovative per se. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-04-2007, 09:07 AM	#14
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beaufort SC Age: 46 Posts: 933	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I wanted to pick Gregg for obvious reasons, but if it ain't broke....Bill will bring a more hard nosed approach to the team. Gibbs is kinda laid back, and let's the players set the tempo. I will welcome anyone on the current coaching staff, except for Al. Don't like him, never have never will. __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

12-04-2007, 09:26 AM	#15
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I voted for other but I dont have a name. I want the Skins to find the next Mike Tomlin or some other young coach that can establish his system and stay awhile if it workd. Cowher would never work with this team as they are now too used to Gibbs easy-going, we are all family ways. He's too loud and too harsh on the players. He would never work with these guys.

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