Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Someone mention the class of the Colts and how they pulled PM after they had a hugh lead this week. They also forgot to mention that with the second string QB that hit a deap pass right off the bate and scored. I'd have to say running a play like that would be running up the score if we use the same standard applied to the Pats.

If you've got backups in, at least you can use the excuse of trying to get them ready for any game situation...

[MTK]

Speaking of running it up, does anyone want to bet that the Pats will be looking to run it up on Mangini this weekend? They might score 60+.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Speaking of running it up, does anyone want to bet that the Pats will be looking to run it up on Mangini this weekend? They might score 60+.

Man, they are going to kill the Jets this weekend.

What's the over/under on Brady playing all four quarters in the season finale?

[MTK]

Brady might break the single game record for TDs this weekend.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I'm sorry, but I can't give Belichick too much credit for Brady. I'm of the opinion that great quarterbacks have intangibles that can't be taught, and coaching has less of an impact on their performance than their god-given abilities do.

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

I think you are over simplifying.
99% of all college QB's are not ready to play at a high level when they first arrive in the NFL. Marino and Roethlisberger are the only two that come to mind that came in with a bang.. IT takes time to develop them to the level that is required to be great in the NFL. Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning were not very successful their first couple of years. In fact they really sucked. With COACHING and learning the pro system they became great. They had to work at it. Nobody wanted Brady coming out of college.
Which brings me to another point. I think the offensive system each QB plays in makes a big difference. Montana playing under Walsh and his great system helped him. Well Bellicheck pretty much ran the same system until this year when he started to play more of the 3 and 4 wr system.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you are over simplifying.
99% of all college QB's are not ready to play at a high level when they first arrive in the NFL. Marino and Roethlisberger are the only two that come to mind that came in with a bang.. IT takes time to develop them to the level that is required to be great in the NFL. Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning were not very successful their first couple of years. In fact they really sucked. With COACHING and learning the pro system they became great. They had to work at it. Nobody wanted Brady coming out of college.
Which brings me to another point. I think the offensive system each QB plays in makes a big difference. Montana playing under Walsh and his great system helped him. Well Bellicheck pretty much ran the same system until this year when he started to play more of the 3 and 4 wr system.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, those great quarterbacks would have still been great with lesser coaches -- they just wouldn't have been as successful, IMO. Does that make sense?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, those great quarterbacks would have still been great with lesser coaches -- they just wouldn't have been as successful, IMO. Does that make sense?

True, Ghetto. But even that is subjective to an extent. Brady may or may not be this good without Belichick. What isn't subjective, however, are Belichick's championships.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

True, Ghetto. But even that is subjective to an extent. Brady may or may not be this good without Belichick. What isn't subjective, however, are Belichick's championships.

What I am basically saying is: take Brady and put him on the 49ers. Would he be successful? Probably not. Would he lose his "greatness"? I don't think so. It's a team after all, and one guy alone can't do it.

This begs the question: would Brady be as great as he is today, if he were drafted to the 49ers? We'll never know, but I believe he would be -- he just wouldn't be able to show it.

Bottomline: Coaches need good QBs, QBs need good coaches and good teammates. Everyone needs each other.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm sorry, but I can't give Belichick too much credit for Brady. I'm of the opinion that great quarterbacks have intangibles that can't be taught, and coaching has less of an impact on their performance than their god-given abilities do.

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

I never said that he made Brady great. I said he picked him up in the draft when all the other coaches had passed him over. Others have said that Brady has made the Pats what they are and my point that great coaches find these types of players and he should get that credit.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I never said that he made Brady great. I said he picked him up in the draft when all the other coaches had passed him over. Others have said that Brady has made the Pats what they are and my point that great coaches find these types of players and he should get that credit.

Yeah, my post wasn't directed at you, per se. I was just stating my opinion on the matter.

Like 12th said, "they have mutually benefited from each other."

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm sorry, but I can't give Belichick too much credit for Brady. I'm of the opinion that great quarterbacks have intangibles that can't be taught, and coaching has less of an impact on their performance than their god-given abilities do.

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

So let me ask you this. If Joe Gibbs was coaching the Pats, do you think they would be running the type of offense they do? HELL NO. Gibbs would be saying, "we need balance." Although BB does not call the plays, he lets Brady spread it out and throw it all over the field. How many coaches would let Brady do that? Not too many cause they don't have the balls that BB does.

Last week NE got the ball on their own 1 yard line, got in shotgun and passed the ball every single play for a 99 yard drive. Sorry but Gibbs or alot of other coaches would come out in a 4 TE set and try and run the ball to give the punter more room and play field position. Gibbs wouldn't even think about getting 7 points backed up in his own territory. BB allows Brady to play with such an aggressive offensive attack and he has to get credit for that cause alot other coaches would never play with that style.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So let me ask you this. If Joe Gibbs was coaching the Pats, do you think they would be running the type of offense they do? HELL NO. Gibbs would be saying, "we need balance." Although BB does not call the plays, he lets Brady spread it out and throw it all over the field. How many coaches would let Brady do that? Not too many cause they don't have the balls that BB does.

Last week NE got the ball on their own 1 yard line, got in shotgun and passed the ball every single play for a 99 yard drive. Sorry but Gibbs or alot of other coaches would come out in a 4 TE set and try and run the ball to give the punter more room and play field position. Gibbs wouldn't even think about getting 7 points backed up in his own territory. BB allows Brady to play with such an aggressive offensive attack and he has to get credit for that cause alot other coaches would never play with that style.

If Gibbs would just try to run the ball how come last week the bears got a touch back against the skins? I recall Gibbs throwing often when we are pinned back deap and its when we get to the middle of the field or close to the end zone he tend to get consevative.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If Gibbs would just try to run the ball how come last week the bears got a touch back against the skins? I recall Gibbs throwing often when we are pinned back deap and its when we get to the middle of the field or close to the end zone he tend to get consevative.

The Pats offense is strictly a pass first offense. My question was if Gibbs coached the Pats, would he have the balls to run that type of offense? Where you pass it almost every play. I don't think so. And this isnt knocking Gibbs in anyway. It's just BB does what he thinks is best to score points which is the smartest thing to do cause that best fits the talent he has. I've never heard BB talk about having balance. All he cares about is scoring.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If Gibbs would just try to run the ball how come last week the bears got a touch back against the skins? I recall Gibbs throwing often when we are pinned back deap and its when we get to the middle of the field or close to the end zone he tend to get consevative.

Well after blowing a million halftime leads the last 3 1/2 years it's about time Gibbs changed up the playcalling. Don't you think?