Len Pastabelly on Gibbs' Retirement: "Just An Ordinary Joe"

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Look, it's one thing to disagree. It's another to call them blind, deaf, and dumb.

Can we call them obtuse? as long as we do it with love in our hearts?

Seriously, as had been said throughout this thread, was Gibbs stellar in this last term? No. Was he "average"? No.

No other coach could have come into the 2003/2004 Skins and so fundamentally changed the team's (the entire team - FO, coaches & players) attitude from self-serving chaos to a true "team" concept.

IF we are lucky, Snyder did learn something from Gibbs about managing a team and, if he did so, then with a little luck we can be a constant winner again. The foundation for that is set thanks to Gibbs and THAT is no minor feat given where we were as a team.

[irish]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Can we call them obtuse? as long as we do it with love in our hearts?

Seriously, as had been said throughout this thread, was Gibbs stellar in this last term? No. Was he "average"? No.

No other coach could have come into the 2003/2004 Skins and so fundamentally changed the team's (the entire team - FO, coaches & players) attitude from self-serving chaos to a true "team" concept.

IF we are lucky, Snyder did learn something from Gibbs about managing a team and, if he did so, then with a little luck we can be a constant winner again. The foundation for that is set thanks to Gibbs and THAT is no minor feat given where we were as a team.

You make a great point in your last sentence. I believe Snyder will think he learned a lot from Gibbs and because of that, and Gibbs being gone, will assume a bigger role in player evaluation and free agent signings. He defered a lot to Gibbs while Gibbs was here but now that Gibbs is gone and Danny has studied at the feet of his hero he will assume the involved role he had in the past. It could get real interesting.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

You make a great point in your last sentence. I believe Snyder will think he learned a lot from Gibbs and because of that, and Gibbs being gone, will assume a bigger role in player evaluation and free agent signings. He defered a lot to Gibbs while Gibbs was here but now that Gibbs is gone and Danny has studied at the feet of his hero he will assume the involved role he had in the past. It could get real interesting.

I don't mind an involved Danny if it results in FA signings like this past year. If, on the other hand, it results in more Adam Archuletta's and Brandon LLoyd's, I would substitute "crappy" for "real interesting."

[irish]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I don't mind an involved Danny if it results in FA signings like this past year. If, on the other hand, it results in more Adam Archuletta's and Brandon LLoyd's, I would substitute "crappy" for "real interesting."

Call me old fashioned but I think football people should be making football decisions and owners should make ownership decisions.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Look, it's one thing to disagree. It's another to call them blind, deaf, and dumb.

99% of Redskins nation disagree. Which is my point, how can they not see, hear and understand the difference Gibbs has had on this team, front office and owner?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

99% of Redskins nation disagree. Which is my point, how can they not see, hear and understand the difference Gibbs has had on this team, front office and owner?

I don't think anyone would disagree that Gibbs left this organization better than when he arrived but I believe that allot of people (myself included) fell that he feel short in winning us game and making a run to a SB.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think anyone would disagree that Gibbs left this organization better than when he arrived but I believe that allot of people (myself included) fell that he feel short in winning us game and making a run to a SB.

I think a lot of Redskins fans had very high expectations for Joe Gibbs, maybe even unrealistic expectations. Even though he didn't turn the team into the New England Patriots while he was here, the things he has done is quite an accomplishment. I believe a lot of people didn't realize how horrible this team was when Gibbs came back to Washington.

[firstdown]

I thought it would be interesting to see what people where saying when Gibbs was hired but I could not find anything that far back. I did find this one thread and by reading these post (not sure how many of these people still post) Gibbs did not hit the mark people thought he would hit when he arrived. Gibbs did allot to help this team but I also think that he feel short in other areas.
http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...kins+superbowl

[BDBohnzie]

I don't think it's an issue of the effect Gibbs had on the franchise, but more of the results that were lacking, as well as the lack of structure left in the front office.

[SmootSmack]

So basically you're saying no team can ever be better off.

[BDBohnzie]

There is always room for improvement. However, the progression from before Gibbs to after Gibbs is going in the right direction.

[SkinsFanSince91]

This guy is obviously mad at the Redskins for something. He has been all hate for the Skins on all levels since I have been reading his writing.

I propose that from now on, we dont mention his name on the warpath, since we know he will just be trying to stir "hater-ade."

Anyone second that motion?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

This guy is obviously mad at the Redskins for something. He has been all hate for the Skins on all levels since I have been reading his writing.

I propose that from now on, we dont mention his name on the warpath, since we know he will just be trying to stir "hater-ade."

Anyone second that motion?

What so everyone needs to agree with what you are saying to not be a Redskins Hater. I guess your talking about 56fanatic or maybe even me?

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What so everyone needs to agree with what you are saying to not be a Redskins Hater. I guess your talking about 56fanatic or maybe even me?

No, everyone does not need to agree with me to NOT be a Redskin hater, but I expect OBJECTIVE reporting from a journalist, or columnist, at least once in a while.

If you go look at every Redskins article that he has ever commented on, you will find that the overwhelming majority of them, he has an uncanny & unwavering disdain for the Skins.

Therefore, he is deemed a hater. Now, so can say that Gibbs' tenure here was ordinary, but to trivialize where we have come from since he has come back is shortsighted and just plain ole hate.

Focker Out!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

No, everyone does not need to agree with me to NOT be a Redskin hater, but I expect OBJECTIVE reporting from a journalist, or columnist, at least once in a while.

If you go look at every Redskins article that he has ever commented on, you will find that the overwhelming majority of them, he has an uncanny & unwavering disdain for the Skins.

Therefore, he is deemed a hater. Now, so can say that Gibbs' tenure here was ordinary, but to trivialize where we have come from since he has come back is shortsighted and just plain ole hate.

Focker Out!

Your other post sounded as if you were talking about a poster on this site and you were talking about LP.