Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

MTK · 01-22-2008, 04:15 PM

Personally I wouldn't freak if Fassel is the guy. I always thought he got a raw deal in NY. And when you look at it objectively, he's a proven head coach in this league with a winning record that got a team all the way to a Super Bowl. The same can't be said for GW.

QBall · 01-22-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally I wouldn't freak if Fassel is the guy. I always thought he got a raw deal in NY. And when you look at it objectively, he's a proven head coach in this league with a winning record that got a team all the way to a Super Bowl. The same can't be said for GW.

What??????

Schneed10 · 01-22-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by QBall

What??????

Dude, awesome post.

If you disagree, please say so and explain why. Contribute to the quality of the forums.

QBall · 01-22-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dude, awesome post.

If you disagree, please say so and explain why. Contribute to the quality of the forums.

Sorry I'm just shoeked that a Mod and Joe Gibbs man would be in favor of Fassel as the head coach for the Washington Redskins.

I feel that "they" are just going with it b/c there is a pretty good chance it will happen and "they" can say we agreed all along.

I think Jim Fassel has been demoted from HC for a reason and he was fired and left out of the NFL for a reason.

These past two weeks starting with our kicker have been the most frustrating ever! Fassel is not the answer people, he's just not!!!

GMScud · 01-22-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by QBall

What??????

In a way Matty's right. Fassel has a winning record as a HC, won a conference Championship and two coach of the year awards, and got screwed by the Giants. Yes he went 4-12 the year he got fired, but that team was ravaged by injuries. This guy went to the Super Bowl with Kerry stinkin Collins for god's sake. He's certainly not who I want taking over, but he's no Steve Spurrier.

MTK · 01-22-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by QBall

What??????

Go ahead and try to explain away what I said.

Facts are he has a winning record, he's coached a team to the Super Bowl, and GW's overall HC record doesn't stack up to his.

What exactly is in dispute here??

skinsfan_nn · 01-22-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Go ahead and try to explain away what I said.

Facts are he has a winning record, he's coached a team to the Super Bowl, and GW's overall HC record doesn't stack up to his.

What exactly is in dispute here??

Well that is true. BUT, look at the talent both coach's had to work with. That might have a little something to do with the win/loss record or success level.

redwagonskins · 01-22-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Go ahead and try to explain away what I said.

Facts are he has a winning record, he's coached a team to the Super Bowl, and GW's overall HC record doesn't stack up to his.

What exactly is in dispute here??

For the sake of argument, a 60-56-1 record, while winning, is not exactly stunning. 2-3 in the playoffs in 7 seasons is not too thrilling either. And let's remember, his best season was his first (when he won coach of the year) and that was in 1997. I hear where your coming from but remember, the guy got fired by his best friend.

MTK · 01-22-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by redwagonskins

For the sake of argument, a 60-56-1 record, while winning, is not exactly stunning. 2-3 in the playoffs in 7 seasons is not too thrilling either. And let's remember, his best season was his first (when he won coach of the year) and that was in 1997. I hear where your coming from but remember, the guy got fired by his best friend.

Still much better than what GW did as HC. Hell even better than Gibbs 2.0 for what it's worth.

That's all I'm saying.

Paintrain · 01-22-2008, 04:21 PM

I'm not a big Fassel guy (and in the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a G. Williams guy either) but I'm not really understanding all of the 'sky is falling' mentality here.. Some of the common themes-

"The players will revolt"-They're professionals. They will suit up and play, bottom line. There was a "revolt" when Marty got here and that turned out to be our best season for 5+ years until Gibbs came back. This is a far more talented team than the ones Marty, Spurrier OR Gibbs took over. They'll be fine.

"Continuity is ruined. Back to the drawing board."-With virtually every key skill position player in place and under contract, as well as the OL and LB set, we are in great shape to maintain continuity on the field. Yes we will run different systems and JC will/may be learning yet another system. How did the system we ran last year work out for us? Now I am a believer in Saunders and think he was handcuffed by Gibbs but 15th in total offense and 18th in scoring offense isn't what I'd call impressive. Defensively we were back to the top 10 but since we have a largely veteran defense, I don't think learning a new system is going to be that huge of an adjustment.

"Snyder is up to his same old tricks!"-Why do we rail against this line of thought when it comes to free agency and the newly measured approach but want to pull it back out to support our argument? I think this search is more responsible than his previous ones. He's gone the opposite route as before. He didn't 'big game fish' by trying to splash with a sexy assistant (Garrett) or a big name college coach (Carroll, Stoops, Ferentz) rather he interviewed highly regarded assistants, internally and externally. If it's Fassel, sure it's not a conventional name, but it's not a 'big name hire' like he's chased in the past.

SmootSmack · 01-22-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm not a big Fassel guy (and in the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a G. Williams guy either) but I'm not really understanding all of the 'sky is falling' mentality here.. Some of the common themes-

"The players will revolt"-They're professionals. They will suit up and play, bottom line. There was a "revolt" when Marty got here and that turned out to be our best season for 5+ years until Gibbs came back. This is a far more talented team than the ones Marty, Spurrier OR Gibbs took over. They'll be fine.

"Continuity is ruined. Back to the drawing board."-With virtually every key skill position player in place and under contract, as well as the OL and LB set, we are in great shape to maintain continuity on the field. Yes we will run different systems and JC will/may be learning yet another system. How did the system we ran last year work out for us? Now I am a believer in Saunders and think he was handcuffed by Gibbs but 15th in total offense and 18th in scoring offense isn't what I'd call impressive. Defensively we were back to the top 10 but since we have a largely veteran defense, I don't think learning a new system is going to be that huge of an adjustment.

"Snyder is up to his same old tricks!"-Why do we rail against this line of thought when it comes to free agency and the newly measured approach but want to pull it back out to support our argument? I think this search is more responsible than his previous ones. He's gone the opposite route as before. He didn't 'big game fish' by trying to splash with a sexy assistant (Garrett) or a big name college coach (Carroll, Stoops, Ferentz) rather he interviewed highly regarded assistants, internally and externally. If it's Fassel, sure it's not a conventional name, but it's not a 'big name hire' like he's chased in the past.

Great post. You da man dog

Paintrain · 01-22-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great post. You da man dog

I hate using logic. It makes me feel like such an outsider.

hooskins · 01-22-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I hate using logic. It makes me feel like such an outsider.

haha it does on this site. Good post though.

birdz4gibbs · 01-22-2008, 04:24 PM

i think the mystery candidate is wayne newton expected to make an announcement on friday..
fassel no thanks and at this point anybody could be our next coach....stay tuned should be fun to say the least..:smashfrea

Schneed10 · 01-22-2008, 04:35 PM

Paintrain I think you made good points. There would be no player revolt, they'll adjust. But I do think changing systems is an issue. New terminology for the offense to learn, etcetera. More importantly though, I just don't see Fassel being able to replenish the team with equal minds once Saunders and Williams leave. I think the quality of our coaching overall will take a major hit.

Gregg is one of the very best defensive minds in the game. And if he leaves he'll take Jerry Gray with him. Saunders hasn't produced results in a full season yet, but we saw what it can do down the stretch. It's not so much changing of the scheme, it's the potential loss of a great staff that got us to the playoffs this year despite tons of injuries.

If we bring in Fassel but manage to keep GW and Saunders, then I'm very happy. I'm not liking that likelihood though.

01-22-2008, 04:15 PM	#1
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies Personally I wouldn't freak if Fassel is the guy. I always thought he got a raw deal in NY. And when you look at it objectively, he's a proven head coach in this league with a winning record that got a team all the way to a Super Bowl. The same can't be said for GW. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-22-2008, 04:21 PM	#10
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies I'm not a big Fassel guy (and in the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a G. Williams guy either) but I'm not really understanding all of the 'sky is falling' mentality here.. Some of the common themes- "The players will revolt"-They're professionals. They will suit up and play, bottom line. There was a "revolt" when Marty got here and that turned out to be our best season for 5+ years until Gibbs came back. This is a far more talented team than the ones Marty, Spurrier OR Gibbs took over. They'll be fine. "Continuity is ruined. Back to the drawing board."-With virtually every key skill position player in place and under contract, as well as the OL and LB set, we are in great shape to maintain continuity on the field. Yes we will run different systems and JC will/may be learning yet another system. How did the system we ran last year work out for us? Now I am a believer in Saunders and think he was handcuffed by Gibbs but 15th in total offense and 18th in scoring offense isn't what I'd call impressive. Defensively we were back to the top 10 but since we have a largely veteran defense, I don't think learning a new system is going to be that huge of an adjustment. "Snyder is up to his same old tricks!"-Why do we rail against this line of thought when it comes to free agency and the newly measured approach but want to pull it back out to support our argument? I think this search is more responsible than his previous ones. He's gone the opposite route as before. He didn't 'big game fish' by trying to splash with a sexy assistant (Garrett) or a big name college coach (Carroll, Stoops, Ferentz) rather he interviewed highly regarded assistants, internally and externally. If it's Fassel, sure it's not a conventional name, but it's not a 'big name hire' like he's chased in the past. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

01-22-2008, 04:24 PM	#14
birdz4gibbs Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 370	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies i think the mystery candidate is wayne newton expected to make an announcement on friday.. fassel no thanks and at this point anybody could be our next coach....stay tuned should be fun to say the least..:smashfrea __________________ **go skins*****

01-22-2008, 04:35 PM	#15
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies Paintrain I think you made good points. There would be no player revolt, they'll adjust. But I do think changing systems is an issue. New terminology for the offense to learn, etcetera. More importantly though, I just don't see Fassel being able to replenish the team with equal minds once Saunders and Williams leave. I think the quality of our coaching overall will take a major hit. Gregg is one of the very best defensive minds in the game. And if he leaves he'll take Jerry Gray with him. Saunders hasn't produced results in a full season yet, but we saw what it can do down the stretch. It's not so much changing of the scheme, it's the potential loss of a great staff that got us to the playoffs this year despite tons of injuries. If we bring in Fassel but manage to keep GW and Saunders, then I'm very happy. I'm not liking that likelihood though. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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