Loose Change

JoeRedskin · 02-16-2008, 06:12 PM

Fair enough. Sorry, however, I still disagree both with the premise of the film and the extent to which it was carried. I am a firm beliewver in questioning governement. I am will also ridicule as foolish and arrogant those who refuse to use logic or reason in their presentation of ideas.

You object to the terms "moron", "spitting in the face", and others of that ilk. As I said, although not your original intention - the original post your initial response invited in light of the baselessness of the original video. As I said before, idiotic and/or baseless statements deserve to be ridiculed. Otherwise, to treat them with respect is to grant them something they not don't deserve but is harmful b/c to give them respect is undercut their idiocy. Foolish people debate foolish statements.

Did something, perhaps, slip by that should've been found out? Yup. But guess what, that happens everyday in government. As someone said, on one hand there is this desire to imply the govt. is carefully scheming away while at the same time assert that their is some brilliant plot at work. It the same argument that has been made for thousands of years - dark mysterious forces are manipulating our government and our perceptions.

There is undoubtedly some attempt by some individuals to manipulate feelings - that too is as old as government itself (and religion for that matter). But, and this is a big but, such conspiracies rarely run as deep or are as organized as those who wish to oppose them assert. It's foolish game of manipulation by both sides and one that requires a careful balancing of skepticism and trust.

EternalEnigma21 · 02-16-2008, 06:19 PM

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As I said before, idiotic and/or baseless statements deserve to be ridiculed.

it wasn't the posts that were being ridiculed... it was the poster. Everyone is guilty of getting offended and spouting off, but that doesn't make it right. Calling someone you disagree with a moron is wrong, even if he's wrong... Hell even if he's a complete moron (at least within the bounds of the warpath, so sayeth canthetuna).

the difference is probably one of the points on that poster titled "All I ever really needed to know I learned in kindergarten"

JoeRedskin · 02-16-2008, 07:19 PM

Again, fair enough. Though his initial responses did seem to invite a certain level of abuse. Clearly, their was plenty of room for misunderstanding on both sides.

And, BTW - scientifical is officially in my lexicon. JGLR, please know that I do not use it to ridicule you but b/c it so accurately catches the tenor of so much of what is proposed as true scientific doctrine. (It's like science, but it's not! - it's scientifical).

mheisig · 02-16-2008, 07:45 PM

JGLOTR, I point this out as something that's hopefully helpful and not seen as an attack, but you kind of shot yourself in the foot in the very first post of this thread.

Saying that you watched a one hour video by a couple of college kids and you now feel "duped and violated" doesn't say much for your reasoning ability. To be quite honest I think you're a perfectly reasonable individual and have had many worthwhile posts on this thread, but this one didn't start out too well.

It's along the lines of me coming on here and saying "Hey guys, I just read Humpty Dumpty and I am OUTRAGED at how all the King's men couldn't put him back together! I feel totally misled and lied to about their egg-fixing ability!"

I guess the point is, don't have your world view and opinion on the government and country shaped by a one hour video by some college kids which has been decried and debunked around the internet almost nonstop.

Personally I think there are some major holes in the official story and you're right to be skeptical and ask questions, but give it some due diligence and make an informed decision from the facts available to you. And find a better source than some pretentious college kids who lack basic PR and debate skills.

Again, this is no indictment of you - I think you just got off on the wrong foot, people made some immature and inflammatory comments toward you, and the whole thing got out of hand. No reason to waste 1,000+ posts and the relationships with people on the site over this.

SmootSmack · 02-16-2008, 07:56 PM

Well said Mheisig.

Redskin · 02-16-2008, 09:33 PM

gg withdrawnzors

SmootSmack · 02-16-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin

I mean its just that your ignorance is astounding. Take a hint and shut the **** up. Smoot is a bigger man then you will ever be, hes not the one blowing up about being wrong. I have watch loose change and I guess im a sheep as you put it becuase form the moment I watched it I called total BS. 2/2 eh I guess you are a dumb bitch after all. Sorry after reading all the scientifical stuff JGILOTR was attacking reason with i couldnt holf back anymore.

We don't need to incite the sitaution anymore. Hopefully by now JGLOTR has realized that the huge flaws in that movie. I think he has

Schneed10 · 02-16-2008, 10:49 PM

I think it's nice that you guys were able to come to a rational discussion after all that. But this was a case where you were better off not starting this thread.

Even though people have managed to be civil and rational to you doesn't mean they've come away with a very high opinion of you. You've done that to yourself. It's going to be tough for me to take just about anything you say seriously from now on, because I'm always going to think back and say this was the same guy who bought into Loose Change, so why should I care what he thinks about a free agency acquisition?

Reputation matters. Think before you post.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 02-16-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Again, fair enough. Though his initial responses did seem to invite a certain level of abuse. Clearly, their was plenty of room for misunderstanding on both sides.

And, BTW - scientifical is officially in my lexicon. JGLR, please know that I do not use it to ridicule you but b/c it so accurately catches the tenor of so much of what is proposed as true scientific doctrine. (It's like science, but it's not! - it's scientifical).

Ok, that makes sense then.

hehe...Scientifical

JGisLordOfTheRings · 02-16-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think it's nice that you guys were able to come to a rational discussion after all that. But this was a case where you were better off not starting this thread.

Even though people have managed to be civil and rational to you doesn't mean they've come away with a very high opinion of you. You've done that to yourself. It's going to be tough for me to take just about anything you say seriously from now on, because I'm always going to think back and say this was the same guy who bought into Loose Change, so why should I care what he thinks about a free agency acquisition?

Reputation matters. Think before you post.

I agree with a lot of what you said. By posting my second post, I open myself up to abuse because I didn't take the time to research what I had just watched. That's understood.

Like I said before, I've been here for a while and really like it here, I just felt that making of the poster and mot the post in this instance may have been a little overboard. The fact that you, as a Moderator, called me a moron just kinda irked me. Like I said to SS, I agree that Mods DEF have the right to speak their minds, but they should also be aware that A LOT of people that visit this site look up to the mods as the standard. I just think that coming out and flat-out calling me a moron was a little much to lay on a guy who simply bought into something he saw for 30 minutes before he actually took the time to research it.

Again, there's no hard feelings towards anyone and I apologize for the crude statements I made.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 02-17-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

it wasn't the posts that were being ridiculed... it was the poster. Everyone is guilty of getting offended and spouting off, but that doesn't make it right. Calling someone you disagree with a moron is wrong, even if he's wrong... Hell even if he's a complete moron (at least within the bounds of the warpath, so sayeth canthetuna).

the difference is probably one of the points on that poster titled "All I ever really needed to know I learned in kindergarten"

That's all I had a problem with. If everyone came out and said well, "This post is retarded and you need to do your homework because this movie is trash", then it would have been easier to accept my wrongs and correct them.

But, what I got was, "You're a moron" etc etc.....everyone is entitled to their opinion and thats the beauty of this country that has duped me so well; we can speak our minds freely. Lol....and before I get assualted with moron tags, I'm joking about the whole being duped thing. lol

EternalEnigma21 · 02-17-2008, 12:00 AM

shneed's not a moderator.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 02-17-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

shneed's not a moderator.

Wow. He's not! Well, fk me then. Many apologies sir.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 02-17-2008, 12:06 AM

But lets face facts, he might as well be. LoL I think it was the VIP thing I saw. Again, that destroys my entire argument and I apologize. I just can't get shit right this week.

Lady Brave · 02-17-2008, 12:09 AM

If Schneed were a moderator, there would only be 10 people on this site.

02-16-2008, 06:12 PM	#91
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Loose Change Fair enough. Sorry, however, I still disagree both with the premise of the film and the extent to which it was carried. I am a firm beliewver in questioning governement. I am will also ridicule as foolish and arrogant those who refuse to use logic or reason in their presentation of ideas. You object to the terms "moron", "spitting in the face", and others of that ilk. As I said, although not your original intention - the original post your initial response invited in light of the baselessness of the original video. As I said before, idiotic and/or baseless statements deserve to be ridiculed. Otherwise, to treat them with respect is to grant them something they not don't deserve but is harmful b/c to give them respect is undercut their idiocy. Foolish people debate foolish statements. Did something, perhaps, slip by that should've been found out? Yup. But guess what, that happens everyday in government. As someone said, on one hand there is this desire to imply the govt. is carefully scheming away while at the same time assert that their is some brilliant plot at work. It the same argument that has been made for thousands of years - dark mysterious forces are manipulating our government and our perceptions. There is undoubtedly some attempt by some individuals to manipulate feelings - that too is as old as government itself (and religion for that matter). But, and this is a big but, such conspiracies rarely run as deep or are as organized as those who wish to oppose them assert. It's foolish game of manipulation by both sides and one that requires a careful balancing of skepticism and trust. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

02-16-2008, 07:19 PM	#93
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Loose Change Again, fair enough. Though his initial responses did seem to invite a certain level of abuse. Clearly, their was plenty of room for misunderstanding on both sides. And, BTW - scientifical is officially in my lexicon. JGLR, please know that I do not use it to ridicule you but b/c it so accurately catches the tenor of so much of what is proposed as true scientific doctrine. (It's like science, but it's not! - it's scientifical). __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

02-16-2008, 07:45 PM	#94
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 41 Posts: 2,119	Re: Loose Change JGLOTR, I point this out as something that's hopefully helpful and not seen as an attack, but you kind of shot yourself in the foot in the very first post of this thread. Saying that you watched a one hour video by a couple of college kids and you now feel "duped and violated" doesn't say much for your reasoning ability. To be quite honest I think you're a perfectly reasonable individual and have had many worthwhile posts on this thread, but this one didn't start out too well. It's along the lines of me coming on here and saying "Hey guys, I just read Humpty Dumpty and I am OUTRAGED at how all the King's men couldn't put him back together! I feel totally misled and lied to about their egg-fixing ability!" I guess the point is, don't have your world view and opinion on the government and country shaped by a one hour video by some college kids which has been decried and debunked around the internet almost nonstop. Personally I think there are some major holes in the official story and you're right to be skeptical and ask questions, but give it some due diligence and make an informed decision from the facts available to you. And find a better source than some pretentious college kids who lack basic PR and debate skills. Again, this is no indictment of you - I think you just got off on the wrong foot, people made some immature and inflammatory comments toward you, and the whole thing got out of hand. No reason to waste 1,000+ posts and the relationships with people on the site over this. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

02-16-2008, 07:56 PM	#95
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Loose Change Well said Mheisig. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-16-2008, 09:33 PM	#96
Redskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: University of South Carolina Age: 36 Posts: 577	Re: Loose Change gg withdrawnzors __________________ University Of South Carolina '11 Go Cocks and Go Skins #21#RIP Sean Taylor a TRUE Redskin#21# <--Hey wheres my green approval rating?

02-16-2008, 10:49 PM	#98
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Loose Change I think it's nice that you guys were able to come to a rational discussion after all that. But this was a case where you were better off not starting this thread. Even though people have managed to be civil and rational to you doesn't mean they've come away with a very high opinion of you. You've done that to yourself. It's going to be tough for me to take just about anything you say seriously from now on, because I'm always going to think back and say this was the same guy who bought into Loose Change, so why should I care what he thinks about a free agency acquisition? Reputation matters. Think before you post. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

02-17-2008, 12:00 AM	#102
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Loose Change shneed's not a moderator. __________________ I am the brute squad.

02-17-2008, 12:06 AM	#104
JGisLordOfTheRings Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond VA Age: 38 Posts: 2,583	Re: Loose Change But lets face facts, he might as well be. LoL I think it was the VIP thing I saw. Again, that destroys my entire argument and I apologize. I just can't get shit right this week. __________________ The redskins pocket is like my love life.....nonexistent and disappointing. -OnceWeWereKings

02-17-2008, 12:09 AM	#105
Lady Brave The Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trinity, NC Age: 53 Posts: 1,444	Re: Loose Change If Schneed were a moderator, there would only be 10 people on this site.

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