(updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Funny typo by ESPN Insider. They have Kenny Phillips listed at 302 poulds and running a 4.45 40. Man thats awesome a 302 pounder running in the 4.4's.

Top 30 Senior Defensive Back Prospects in 2008 NFL Draft
Player School Position Height Weight Speed
1. Mike Jenkins South Florida CB 6-0 200 4.49
2. Leodis McKelvin Troy CB 5-10 5/8 190 4.44
3. Aqib Talib Kansas CB 6-1 1/2 201 4.50
4. Brandon Flowers Virginia Tech CB 5-10 1/8 192 4.45
5. Kenny Phillips Miami S 6-1 3/4 302 4.45
6. Dominique Rogers-Cromartie Tennessee State CB 6-1 3/8 183 4.44
7. Reggie Smith Oklahoma CB 6-1 1/4 196 4.45
8. Tracy Porter Indiana CB 5-10 5/8 184 4.40
9. Patrick Lee Auburn CB 5-11 7/8 194 4.43
10. Dejuan Morgan N.C. State S 6-1 1/4 203 4.51
11. Antoine Cason Arizona CB 6-0 190 4.55
12. Chevis Jackson LSU CB 5-11 1/2 188 4.55
13. Charles Godfrey Iowa CB 5-11 3/4 207 5.30
14. Thomas DeCoud California S 6-1 1/2 196 4.56
15. Justin King Penn State CB 6-1 1/8 190 4.40
16. Jack Williams Kent State CB 5-8 5/8 181 4.29
17. Marcus Griffin Texas S 5-10 1/8 198 4.60
18. Terrell Thomas USC CB 6-0 3/8 197 4.47
19. Tyrell Johnson Arkansas State S 5-11 1/2 200 4.56
20. Trae Williams South Florida CB 5-9 1/4 193 4.45
21. D.J. Wolfe Oklahoma S 5-10 3/4 200 4.46
22. Tom Zbikowski Notre Dame S 5-11 1/8 209 4.55
23. Simeon Castille Alabama S 5-11 7/8 190 4.61
24. Tyvon Branch Connecticut CB 5-11 1/4 197 4.47
25. Jamie Silva Boston College S 5-11 205 4.60
26. Craig Steltz LSU S 6-1 210 4.61
27. DeJuan Tribble Boston College CB 5-8 1/2 190 4.50
28. Jonathan Hefney Tennessee S 5-8 1/4 192 4.45
29. Terrence Wheatley Colorado CB 5-9 3/8 187 4.41
30. Jamar Adams Michigan S 6-2 1/4 209 4.50

look ma, a 5.3 40...

where oh where did the editors go?

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if you want we can put money on it. the number of WRs that have 1500+ yards as rookies is almost non existent. I'll take that bet any day, and i'll bet AB's yards/game for his career remains better than nelson's too.

While I wont put money on it, because AB didn't even do it, I will say that "straight-line" speed doesn't matter as much in the NFL as acceleration and burst do. In college the hash marks are out wider making it easier for faster players to run across field and break due to their speed(see Reggie Bush).

I never said anything about putting up 1500 yards. I said the JNelson will have comparable success in the NFL, to that of Anquan Boldin. As for career numbers, I wouldn't bet on anyone who hasn't made it to the league yet (he could easliy get hurt and have his career fold, and as I result I would lose. Nice try though).

Jordy Nelson is probably one of the safest picks at the WR, easy.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by That Guy

look ma, a 5.3 40...

where oh where did the editors go?

It's probably because he doesn't weigh enough. If he could just gain about 93 pounds then he'd be able to get into that 4.4 range like Kenny Phillips. Another hundred pounds could push him up to the 3.6's.

[SkinsFanSince91]

After Further review, my first three picks are as follows:

1st ROund:
1a. Calais Campbell, DE, Miami - Can play DE on 1st & 2nd downs and DT in ideal 3rd down passing downs

1b. Quentin Groves, DE/OLB, Auburn - Can be a pass rush specialist for us, and he would be the fastest OLB in the draft if that were his primary position. So if Rocky regresses, he can step in

1c. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, TSU - Shutdown corner with all the attributes. Kicked @ss at the senior bowl

2nd Round:

2a. Brandon Flowers, CB, VT - Someone here put me on to him, and he is a beast. The most physical corner in the draft and has superior man cover skills

2b. Jordy Nelson, WR/KR, Kansas State - This is a reach right now, but after the combine, it wont look like one. He can catch, block, return kicks, play special teams, and he can throw the pill. A former HS QB, he was moved to safety as a walk on, then moved to WR. He stayed there and had a monster senior campaign. He went 122-1,606-11 in his senior year, averaged 155.1 all-purpose yards, and never had a game with less that 80 yds receviing.

As a former walk on he has all the intangibles to be a great Redskin, work ethic included.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

While I wont put money on it, because AB didn't even do it, I will say that "straight-line" speed doesn't matter as much in the NFL as acceleration and burst do. In college the hash marks are out wider making it easier for faster players to run across field and break due to their speed(see Reggie Bush).

I never said anything about putting up 1500 yards. I said the JNelson will have comparable success in the NFL, to that of Anquan Boldin. As for career numbers, I wouldn't bet on anyone who hasn't made it to the league yet (he could easliy get hurt and have his career fold, and as I result I would lose. Nice try though).

Jordy Nelson is probably one of the safest picks at the WR, easy.

whatever, we can compare year by year for as long as he's in the league. he's NOT the safest pick, or else he'd be a lot higher than the third round. I'm not hating on the guy, but he's not going to make a lot of the plays that got him that one good year in college, and he's probably not going to be a stud nfl receiver.

I would bet he'd be consistent and that he could possibly put up decent numbers like a mike furrey, but drafted WRs without multiple years of proven success are generally a crapshot as far as nfl success, many don't produce till 3 years in, and we could improve more elsewhere immediately (like at DB, DL, OL, or safety) even in the bottom of the 3rd round.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by That Guy

whatever, we can compare year by year for as long as he's in the league. he's NOT the safest pick, or else he'd be a lot higher than the third round. I'm not hating on the guy, but he's not going to make a lot of the plays that got him that one good year in college, and he's probably not going to be a stud nfl receiver.

I would bet he'd be consistent and that he could possibly put up decent numbers like a mike furrey, but drafted WRs without multiple years of proven success are generally a crapshot as far as nfl success, many don't produce till 3 years in, and we could improve more elsewhere immediately (like at DB, DL, OL, or safety) even in the bottom of the 3rd round.

I feel you, but no one in the BIG 12 could check or stop him, and the funniest thing about it, was that the team was so crappy that you knew the ball was coming to him. Yet, no one could stop him.

Just watch. Once he does his thing in the combine, he may make it to the bottom of the 1st round/early 2nd. He was only projected as a third, for the reason that you stated, because this was a breakout year for him and he never spent his entire career at the wR position (walked on as a safety).

He would be a steal for us in the 3rd based off of the production alone, not to mention his versatility as a return specialist.

Yes we need help in other places, but WR is a place we need to draft to build upon. He would bring the work ethic, toughness, and guile that is needed from a rookie receviver.

PS
Dont sleep, or you will miss the bandwagon ride to Jordy-ville!!!

[Dirtbag59]

To me there is an odd group of first round corners coming out of small schools. Guess we have Rasheen Mathis to blame for that, which is ironic because I liked Rasheen Mathis when he came out. However having two of the top 3 guys coming from Troy and USF is a little fishy, not to mention Kansas, which before this year was solely a basketball school.

Mike Jenkins CB 6'0" 200 SOUTH FLORIDA 95 C 1 12 Expert's Take ,
Aqib Talib CB 6'1" 201 KANSAS 94 2 17 Expert's Take
Leodis McKelvin CB 5'10" 186 TROY UNIVERSITY 90 3 34 Expert's Take

[Dirtbag59]

Alright slightly new mock for Dirtbag359. To me this class gives us two starters and one potential starter that will definatly be a contributer in his first year.

1st - Calias Campbell - Phillip is 35 years old and Campbell has the size to play the left end. Also knows what it feels like to have a 10 sack season and is probably hungry to regain that form after a senior campaign where he only managed 6.5 sacks. Theoretically could move inside in nickle and dime packages and allow Campbell/Washington to rush opposite Andre Carter. Probably is a top 15 pick if hes allowed to come out last year.

2nd - Roy Schuning - would love it if Branden Albert fell to us but thats doubtful. This pick is a slight reach but he's the second best guard and he has an attitude that Joe Bugel loves. Played last year with running pneumonia, lost 18 pounds and never missed a snap. Has experience as a high school wrester and looks like a bigger version of Chris Cooley. Also played some tackle during his colleigate career.

3rd - Dre Moore - Has the potential to be an inside pass rusher due to his combination of size, speed, and quickness. Gets in the backfield and with proper coaching could turn into a solid starter. Had six sacks as a senior, the most since Shawn Meriman. Local product from University of Maryland that could be inspired playing for his hometown team, granted the Redskins are his hometown team.


Additonal notes: Wouldn't mind a guy like Kenwaan Balmber in the First Round but the draft is deep at pass rushing DT's and the quality LE's will be gone after the first round, in fact the next LE that can play both pass and run after Campbell/Merling is Kendall Langford who only was 4.5 sacks at Hampton.

Also with DJ hacket and Drayton Florance we'll be fine at corner and reciever, not great, but fine. Plus WR's in the draft are a crapshoot, ask the Raiders who have used the past few years drafting countless Recievers. Hasselback has also done great without a CJ/Randy Moss type. And for anyone that forgot the team with the great unit upfront beat the great Recieving core. We also got sent home from the playoffs early thanks in large part to Patrick Kerney.

Also I feel like the time to start rebuilding the OL is now. We suffered last year from not having quality depth and the OL is a huge reason why the team has been competitive in recent years. Plus three of our main starters are in their 30's.

Sorry SkinsFan91. I know Jordy Nelson is the sexy pic, but having the right guys in the trenches allows you to get away with a lot more then you would be able to otherwise.

[Dirtbag59]

Hey how many of you guys knew that Chris Long was Howie Long's son? OMGWTFBBQ!!!!

Also found this is USA Today
There's a chance there could be two Longs, who go No. 1 in the drafts of their respective sports.

"Long's brother, Kyle, is a 6-7, 290-pound, all-state left-handed pitching prospect who committed to play at Florida State in 2008.

Used primarily as a closer, Kyle Long struck out 67 batters in 32⅓ innings his senior season for St. Anne's-Belfield High School in Charlottesville, Va."

WTF! Does Howie Long have a daughter? Because those are some unbelieveable genes.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Hey how many of you guys knew that Chris Long was Howie Long's son? OMGWTFBBQ!!!!

Also found this is USA Today
There's a chance there could be two Longs, who go No. 1 in the drafts of their respective sports.

"Long's brother, Kyle, is a 6-7, 290-pound, all-state left-handed pitching prospect who committed to play at Florida State in 2008.

Used primarily as a closer, Kyle Long struck out 67 batters in 32⅓ innings his senior season for St. Anne's-Belfield High School in Charlottesville, Va."

WTF! Does Howie Long have a daughter? Because those are some unbelieveable genes.

yeah, that was pretty well known, and yeah, those are crazy genes. 290lbs pitcher? damn.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by That Guy

yeah, that was pretty well known, and yeah, those are crazy genes. 290lbs pitcher? damn.

Man, I didn't even realize the 290lbs part. But seriously I had no idea that Chris Long was Howie Longs son. However I did just learn that he has three sons, GD!

I was so caught up in the guys that were going to around when we picked that I was barely focused on the guys going in the top 5. In fact the only top 5 guys I've really been paying attention to are Matt Ryan and Jake Long. Ryan because I feel like hes going to be a bust and Long because I have a lot of respect for the guys that play O-line.

[Dirtbag59]

Alright well looks like I'm changing this on a daily basis now. Also looks like this thread is becoming my own personal draft journal, so all you armchair draft experts, get your ass over here and.....DISCUSS!

Anyway two of my favorite draft prospects have fallen this week. UNC's Kentwaan Balmber and Campbell of Miami both had horrible combines.

Per SI.com:
"Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session."

- I know that combine results mean so much and I know its possible that Campbell could be suffering from Kevin Durant Bench Press Syndrome, but still 16 reps? I'll have to double check his wingspan before making a final judgement on that one. Also don't like the very high 40 time or the fact that he looked winded after running the very slow 40 time.

"Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina: Balmer was slow, running times near 5.3 seconds, and looked sluggish during the drills. He was late reacting to the instructions given to him by coaches and struggled changing direction in certain drills."

- Again 40 times mean only so much, but this guy is suppose to be quick. ThatGuy is there anyplace where we can see the combine test posted? I'll have to look around at your other post, I'll probably be able to find something there.

So today, my new mock draft goes as follows

1. Philip Merling - DE - Clemson - Alright well this is a quick edit but the more I look at this guy the more I like him. From what I've heard the guy is solid against the run and decent as an edge rusher. However the kicker is that the guy can line up on third down and play DT in passing situations. Also 17 tackles for loss is a pretty good deal for the 21st pick in the draft.

2. Roy Schueni-ing-er-man-da - G - Oregon State - While I can't spell his name yet I like the fact that hes a mauler. Also like his toughness and his wrestling background. Should help infuse the line with the "POWER OF YOUTH" as well as help get the running game back on track. Either way the time to start rebuilding the O-Line is NOW! Kind of ironic coming from a procrastinator such as myself but never the less. We can't wait until Jansen, Thomas, and Samuals are past the age of 35 to start rebuilding. Just look at the Chiefs and see what happened to them.

3. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - First off I still consider 3rd rounders as first day picks. Either way Dre Moore got 6 sacks last year from what I'm guessing is the end spot in the 3-4, but as anyone who knows the 3-4 can understand, that spot is not a position where you're expected to get sacks. Also like the local flavor as well as the raw potential. If we can get this guy in the third round then I'll be thrilled.

Other First Round Picks
Brandon Albert - Great Guard that could also play Tackle someday. Plus he's a local kid.

Kenny Phillips - The guy might not be great, but I think he can be productive enough to help make our secondary great. As I've said before, Safety's are more improtant these days then Cornerbacks.

Malcom Kelly - Big WR with the speed and production to back it up. Probably going at #11 to Buffalo.

Quinton Groves - A little smaller then I thought. Originally believed he was a LE but when people start trying you out at 3-4 OLB then you know that the guys either around 250 lbs or hes Shawn Meriman. Either way guy has production and seems to be doing well enough at the combine to warrent 1st round consideration.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Per SI.com:
"Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session.

I was looking for Campbell's bench # and it kept showing DNP on NFL Network. 16 is awful for DL. I am offically off the Calais Campbell bandwagon. Bring on Merling or the best available CB as our #1.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Alright well looks like I'm changing this on a daily basis now. Also looks like this thread is becoming my own personal draft journal, so all you armchair draft experts, get your ass over here and.....DISCUSS!

Anyway two of my favorite draft prospects have fallen this week. UNC's Kentwaan Balmber and Campbell of Miami both had horrible combines.

Per SI.com:
"Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session."

- I know that combine results mean so much and I know its possible that Campbell could be suffering from Kevin Durant Bench Press Syndrome, but still 16 reps? I'll have to double check his wingspan before making a final judgement on that one. Also don't like the very high 40 time or the fact that he looked winded after running the very slow 40 time.

"Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina: Balmer was slow, running times near 5.3 seconds, and looked sluggish during the drills. He was late reacting to the instructions given to him by coaches and struggled changing direction in certain drills."

- Again 40 times mean only so much, but this guy is suppose to be quick. ThatGuy is there anyplace where we can see the combine test posted? I'll have to look around at your other post, I'll probably be able to find something there.

So today, my new mock draft goes as follows

1. Philip Merling - DE - Clemson - Alright well this is a quick edit but the more I look at this guy the more I like him. From what I've heard the guy is solid against the run and decent as an edge rusher. However the kicker is that the guy can line up on third down and play DT in passing situations. Also 17 tackles for loss is a pretty good deal for the 21st pick in the draft.

2. Roy Schueni-ing-er-man-da - G - Oregon State - While I can't spell his name yet I like the fact that hes a mauler. Also like his toughness and his wrestling background. Should help infuse the line with the "POWER OF YOUTH" as well as help get the running game back on track. Either way the time to start rebuilding the O-Line is NOW! Kind of ironic coming from a procrastinator such as myself but never the less. We can't wait until Jansen, Thomas, and Samuals are past the age of 35 to start rebuilding. Just look at the Chiefs and see what happened to them.

3. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - First off I still consider 3rd rounders as first day picks. Either way Dre Moore got 6 sacks last year from what I'm guessing is the end spot in the 3-4, but as anyone who knows the 3-4 can understand, that spot is not a position where you're expected to get sacks. Also like the local flavor as well as the raw potential. If we can get this guy in the third round then I'll be thrilled.

Other First Round Picks
Brandon Albert - Great Guard that could also play Tackle someday. Plus he's a local kid.

Kenny Phillips - The guy might not be great, but I think he can be productive enough to help make our secondary great. As I've said before, Safety's are more improtant these days then Cornerbacks.

Malcom Kelly - Big WR with the speed and production to back it up. Probably going at #11 to Buffalo.

Quinton Groves - A little smaller then I thought. Originally believed he was a LE but when people start trying you out at 3-4 OLB then you know that the guys either around 250 lbs or hes Shawn Meriman. Either way guy has production and seems to be doing well enough at the combine to warrent 1st round consideration.

I can see us taking Quentin Groves in the first. He can play DE or OLB.

Merling, I believe, only did 17 reps. Thats not good, especially for someone his size. Same goes for Campbell. I think for the 1st round we need to go for production and athletic ability with our pick. Groves can come off the edge on passing downs and even play OLB for us and be a play maker in the passing game. Having him would come in handy if Rocky's play suffers because of lingering injury issues.

He didn't have a bad combine either. Fastest 40 for a DE 4.57, 10 foot broad jump, and 30 reps. His production at AU was superior despite sharing time earlier on in his career.

Groves' athleticism, explosiveness, strength, and versatility would be a great all around addition for us in the 1st round.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

I can see us taking Quentin Groves in the first. He can play DE or OLB.

Merling, I believe, only did 17 reps. Thats not good, especially for someone his size. Same goes for Campbell. I think for the 1st round we need to go for production and athletic ability with our pick. Groves can come off the edge on passing downs and even play OLB for us and be a play maker in the passing game. Having him would come in handy if Rocky's play suffers because of lingering injury issues.

He didn't have a bad combine either. Fastest 40 for a DE 4.57, 10 foot broad jump, and 30 reps. His production at AU was superior despite sharing time earlier on in his career.

Groves' athleticism, explosiveness, strength, and versatility would be a great all around addition for us in the 1st round.

2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Defensive Line

Merling's fine, according to Football's Future, Merling put up 23 reps. Which is not great, but not bad either. My favorite part about him right now is he compares to Justin Tuck. Of course the same source compared Calias Campbell to Julius Peppers so I don't know how reliable that is.

However the big selling point for me right now is this.

When you play Madden, what team do you use? Do you put yourself on the team? Don't play Madden.