Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You would bet your future on a player kareem moore that has never started an NFL game at any position? Are you Vinny Ceratto?

No, i wouldnt bet my future on him - i'd have springs back there as well. However Landry is being "wasted" at FS and i dont beleive Horton or Landry will ever realize their full potential as long as both of them are on the team. If the skins did trade Horton for a 2nd rounder, they could use that second rounder on a DT who would hopefully start from day 1. If we have a front 4 that can put pressure on the QB, we would be more than fine with Rogers and Hall at CB, Landry at SS, and Springs/Moore/Green at FS.

[Trample the Elderly]

It's a good thing that we have all of these good players in the secondary. Just remember that one of these guys is just an injury away from being a starter regardless. I say keep the dept there if we can. If we can keep Springs and Smoot on the cheap keep them too.

I wish we could say that abou the lines. Nobody is going to give us anything for our O or D line guys. I'm for trading Moss and Betts as long as it's a damn good deal. If not we've not really lost anything. If they hadn't signed CP to such a big deal then he'd be trade material too.

[SmootSmack]

Oh, and we're definitely not that bad

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh, and we're definitely not that bad

I agree.
But we are not that good either. The teams results on the field regressed in 2008.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree.
But we are not that good either. The teams results on the field regressed in 2008.

We definitely over-achieved in our first 8 games. The skins were never as good as some fans thought they were. They were then what they are now - a mediocre team. Unfortunately, we are a mediocre team that, as you pointed out, is regressing. To turn the team around we need to forget about the present (to an extent) and make some sacrifices that will help this team in the long-term.

[GTripp0012]

I think the main point that some are missing is that, while I believe all of those trades are possibilities, there is a zero percent chance that every one of those five players gets traded. It's not a fire sale here. One, maybe two trades at most. There's got to be a player market, and just because the Skins are shopping them does not at all mean that they'll get what their asking for. In fact, you usually ask for something that no one plans to give you, so that in the case a desperate team bites, you win the trade easily.

Horton played really, really poorly against the pass down the stretch. He's almost as bad as Doughty against it. Unlike Doughty, he's a poor pass rusher. Where Horton makes up for that all is his unbelievable closing speed against the run. Teams really started taking advantage of him in the play action game, because he bites so badly on run fakes, and his guy tends to be wide open.

I mean, let's face it, a second rounder for one of the last picks in the draft last year is a HUGE steal. You don't even think about it. Is anyone that desperate to get a safety who cannot cover? Highly doubt it. Horton will be back, and likely in the starting lineup next year, but he's got a lot to work on in the off-season.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the main point that some are missing is that, while I believe all of those trades are possibilities, there is a zero percent chance that every one of those five players gets traded. It's not a fire sale here. One, maybe two trades at most. There's got to be a player market, and just because the Skins are shopping them does not at all mean that they'll get what their asking for. In fact, you usually ask for something that no one plans to give you, so that in the case a desperate team bites, you win the trade easily.

Horton played really, really poorly against the pass down the stretch. He's almost as bad as Doughty against it. Unlike Doughty, he's a poor pass rusher. Where Horton makes up for that all is his unbelievable closing speed against the run. Teams really started taking advantage of him in the play action game, because he bites so badly on run fakes, and his guy tends to be wide open.

I mean, let's face it, a second rounder for one of the last picks in the draft last year is a HUGE steal. You don't even think about it. Is anyone that desperate to get a safety who cannot cover? Highly doubt it. Horton will be back, and likely in the starting lineup next year, but he's got a lot to work on in the off-season.

Really good post. I think Moss is the most likely to be traded - and hopefully for a 2nd and 5th or 3rd and 4th or something like that. I would say if we got a 3rd/4th for Golston it would be a good deal too. Other than that, I don't see us realistically trading anyone... even though I think moving Horton or Campbell for a 2nd or higher would be a no-brainer.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the main point that some are missing is that, while I believe all of those trades are possibilities, there is a zero percent chance that every one of those five players gets traded. It's not a fire sale here. One, maybe two trades at most. There's got to be a player market, and just because the Skins are shopping them does not at all mean that they'll get what their asking for. In fact, you usually ask for something that no one plans to give you, so that in the case a desperate team bites, you win the trade easily.

Horton played really, really poorly against the pass down the stretch. He's almost as bad as Doughty against it. Unlike Doughty, he's a poor pass rusher. Where Horton makes up for that all is his unbelievable closing speed against the run. Teams really started taking advantage of him in the play action game, because he bites so badly on run fakes, and his guy tends to be wide open.

I mean, let's face it, a second rounder for one of the last picks in the draft last year is a HUGE steal. You don't even think about it. Is anyone that desperate to get a safety who cannot cover? Highly doubt it. Horton will be back, and likely in the starting lineup next year, but he's got a lot to work on in the off-season.

Consistently rush the passer and everyone in the secondary will look good in pass defense. I don't care who's back there. When the opposing QB, even Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Bengals, has all day to throw the DBs are going to get gouged. Biting on run fakes is coachable. Horton hits hard , has a nose for the ball and can catch. He's also inexpensive.

[Whiteboi_J]

I think Dan and Vinny both need to buy a "Guide to Financial Independence" book. lol.

Man, we might release one or two guys, but don't expect too much b/c we still need the depth. I could see Springs being the high priced guy to get released and we'd resign hall. We might also cut one of the DL since we survived w/o 2 of them being injured last year. But if we really need draft picks...cause even though CP is a beast, he is WAY over paid as a RB, especially on a team that is trying to go to a WCO, so we will need to start looking at RBs next year

[Whiteboi_J]

PS, we need to STOP restructuring old head's contracts...that's part of the reason we're in cap hell right now!

[MTK]

We're not in cap hell, we're over by just $2M for 2009 but we can easily clean that up quite quickly. The problem with restructuring is we're marrying ourselves to older players who are no longer as productive as their cap figures would indicate.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We're not in cap hell, we're over by just $2M for 2009 but we can easily clean that up quite quickly. The problem with restructuring is we're marrying ourselves to older players who are no longer as productive as their cap figures would indicate.

They had a lengthy segment on the "Locker Room" on 980am earlier about this exact topic. We need to stop the restructuring madness and part ways with older, declining guys.

This is a good read:

In Offseason, Redskins Could Follow Example of Ravens, Falcons and Dolphins - washingtonpost.com

[GMScud]

An example would be cutting Springs, Griffin, and Marcus W. That would save us $13M in cap space this coming season, which could easily turn into 4 or 5 moderately priced younger players who could add depth to both sides of the line and the LB position....

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

An example would be cutting Springs, Griffin, and Marcus W. That would save us $13M in cap space this coming season, which could easily turn into 4 or 5 moderately priced younger players who could add depth to both sides of the line and the LB position....

Though to be accurate, if you're going to cut a DT like Griffin, you'd have to add 2 DTs in order to build depth.

If we're going to take 1 step back by cutting still-starting quality players, we'll have to find a way to replace them without breaking the bank, or we'll get worse.

Maybe that's what needs to happen, maybe we have to shed the old guys and get worse before we get better. But I've got to emphasize that, if we get rid of all our older players chances are we'll get worse this season, because we don't have the picks to fill the holes through the draft like the Ravens did (as mentioned in the post article), and it's not that easy to fit that many quality players under the cap via free agency.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Though to be accurate, if you're going to cut a DT like Griffin, you'd have to add 2 DTs in order to build depth.

If we're going to take 1 step back by cutting still-starting quality players, we'll have to find a way to replace them without breaking the bank, or we'll get worse.

Maybe that's what needs to happen, maybe we have to shed the old guys and get worse before we get better. But I've got to emphasize that, if we get rid of all our older players chances are we'll get worse this season, because we don't have the picks to fill the holes through the draft like the Ravens did (as mentioned in the post article), and it's not that easy to fit that many quality players under the cap via free agency.

Is Griffin still a quality player? Seems like he's always injured.