If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft

GMScud · 02-26-2009, 11:41 PM

Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.

rbanerjee23 · 03-12-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

THAT GUY- this post isn't directed at you, just how crazy things get before free agency,
i'm hoping its much ado about nothing

1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB

Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin because he is a lateral runner/slasher. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.

warriorzpath · 03-13-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin because he is a lateral runner/slasher. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.

I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.

Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.

SmootSmack · 03-13-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.

Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.

What about Clay Matthews?

Nflnick11 · 02-23-2009, 08:24 PM

I was listening to Orakpo talk about who he talked to and he said that he talked to the skins, and they asked him if he could SLB which he says he can do, but then again when millions of dollars are on the line you'll say anything

The Goat · 02-24-2009, 01:39 AM

Just saw on NFL Live that Ray Maluauga pulled his hammy and ran a terrible 40 (4.82 i think) and is expected to drop into the latter half of the 1st round. I think there's a nice opportunity to trade down and still pick up a monster LB or maybe OL in the 1st and get another pick.

Here's my question to the draft masters... what is the approximate value of our 13th. For instance, if we trade picks w/ Detroit at 20 or Philly (21st or 28th) can we hope to get their 2nd round pick as well or is their 3rd round the best we'll do. Also what if we threw in our last pick of the draft?

That Guy · 02-24-2009, 02:45 AM

NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN

1st and 2nd if its pick 20-24ish in both rounds. that chart is a guide though, not concrete.

30gut · 02-26-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Suppose we made absolutely no moves prior to draft day, no free-agent signings (other than maybe some camp bodies), and no trades for more draft picks this year.

If we assume the above, that leaves us with a 1st, 3th, 5th, and 6th round pick.

So with all that in mind, give me your mock draft as of today(this is who you would want the Skins to use their picks on)

I'll start (I wanted to get Connor Barwin in here, but just couldn't find a spot for him)

1st-OT: Best Available and that probably means Michael Oher at this point, but I'm becoming a big Eben Britton fan and I'd be tempted to take him

3rd-C: Antoine Caldwell (looking more unlikely he'll be around, but someone like Luigs could fall down there)

5th-DE/LB: Lawrence Sidbury (out of Richmond, could be a steal)

6th-um....some running back

1-Orakpo
3-BA Center/Tackle that can also play guard
5-BA Guard/Tackle
6- LBs Jasper Brinkley, Moises Fouku
FA/Comp 7th- C Dallas Reynolds

Dude, good heads up on the Barwin kid he put up beast numners at the combine

That Guy · 02-26-2009, 02:25 AM

orakpo have a great combine too... i mean, it would have been better if he ran a 4.5

but then he'd be the #1 overall pick. he did as well as you possibly can with the numbers outside of being a true freak (mario williams, vernon, etc).

T.O.Killa · 03-12-2009, 08:38 PM

Redskins holding private workout for Clay Mathews. I hope this does not mean we are going to pick him 13th. Hopefully, they hope to trade down and get him there.

That Guy · 03-13-2009, 01:34 AM

cushing is definitely not the safest bet... he's the good workout low college production guy with an injury risk.

an23dy · 03-13-2009, 03:02 AM

1 Rey Maualuga
3 Mitch King DE/DT Iowa (fits our scheme as a LDE)
5 OL
6 OL

Maybe King is a guy that can fall to the 5th round in which case I would take an OL. A lotta people won't like that we keep addressing the defense, but I feel King and Maualuga are good football players that will be around a long time. Also 3 of the 4 conference championship teams were top 5 defenses. Defense wins championships. Please no Cardinals or Colts references, Manning and Warner/Fitz/Boldin are rare and their D was solid in their runs, especially Indy.

bigant · 03-13-2009, 09:37 AM

we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....

SC Skins Fan · 03-13-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bigant

we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....

Can't you see that many people have discussed players at those positions? Read the thread.

GTripp0012 · 03-13-2009, 03:16 PM

Maybin seems to make more sense than Cushing at No. 13 though. If we swing at Maybin we might miss really, really hard, at it would be costly no doubt. But it would make more sense than watching Cushing struggle through injuries and McIntosh-type production for the better part of the next five years while our defense gradually declines.

The gradual decline of a defense built like ours is inevitable anyway. I'm just really hoping that we can get some pass rushers so we can take advantage of having Haynesworth's best years here in our defense. He's not going to get any better than he is right now, so his biggest impact to our defense is going to come this year. If we're not a top five defense this year, we're in lots of trouble (thanks, DHall contract!).

02-23-2009, 08:24 PM	#5
Nflnick11 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 432	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft I was listening to Orakpo talk about who he talked to and he said that he talked to the skins, and they asked him if he could SLB which he says he can do, but then again when millions of dollars are on the line you'll say anything

02-24-2009, 01:39 AM	#6
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft Just saw on NFL Live that Ray Maluauga pulled his hammy and ran a terrible 40 (4.82 i think) and is expected to drop into the latter half of the 1st round. I think there's a nice opportunity to trade down and still pick up a monster LB or maybe OL in the 1st and get another pick. Here's my question to the draft masters... what is the approximate value of our 13th. For instance, if we trade picks w/ Detroit at 20 or Philly (21st or 28th) can we hope to get their 2nd round pick as well or is their 3rd round the best we'll do. Also what if we threw in our last pick of the draft? __________________ 24-34

02-24-2009, 02:45 AM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN 1st and 2nd if its pick 20-24ish in both rounds. that chart is a guide though, not concrete.

02-26-2009, 02:25 AM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft orakpo have a great combine too... i mean, it would have been better if he ran a 4.5 but then he'd be the #1 overall pick. he did as well as you possibly can with the numbers outside of being a true freak (mario williams, vernon, etc).

03-12-2009, 08:38 PM	#10
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft Redskins holding private workout for Clay Mathews. I hope this does not mean we are going to pick him 13th. Hopefully, they hope to trade down and get him there.

02-26-2009, 11:41 PM	#1
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff. __________________ Tardy

03-13-2009, 01:34 AM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft cushing is definitely not the safest bet... he's the good workout low college production guy with an injury risk.

03-13-2009, 03:02 AM	#12
an23dy Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 162	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft 1 Rey Maualuga 3 Mitch King DE/DT Iowa (fits our scheme as a LDE) 5 OL 6 OL Maybe King is a guy that can fall to the 5th round in which case I would take an OL. A lotta people won't like that we keep addressing the defense, but I feel King and Maualuga are good football players that will be around a long time. Also 3 of the 4 conference championship teams were top 5 defenses. Defense wins championships. Please no Cardinals or Colts references, Manning and Warner/Fitz/Boldin are rare and their D was solid in their runs, especially Indy.

03-13-2009, 09:37 AM	#13
bigant Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: garfield new jersey Posts: 158	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft we need an OLB or and DE come on guys can,t you see this. we have really nobody at those spots....

03-13-2009, 03:16 PM	#15
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft Maybin seems to make more sense than Cushing at No. 13 though. If we swing at Maybin we might miss really, really hard, at it would be costly no doubt. But it would make more sense than watching Cushing struggle through injuries and McIntosh-type production for the better part of the next five years while our defense gradually declines. The gradual decline of a defense built like ours is inevitable anyway. I'm just really hoping that we can get some pass rushers so we can take advantage of having Haynesworth's best years here in our defense. He's not going to get any better than he is right now, so his biggest impact to our defense is going to come this year. If we're not a top five defense this year, we're in lots of trouble (thanks, DHall contract!). __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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