The Vick Factor

[skinsnut]

I'd like to see a poll on this one....

Anyway...lets think of this from Snyder's perspective...or should I say a Marketing perspective....

Will the Skins get more publicity, yes..
Will the Skins get more money because of it...probably not.
Although it is arguable that we could secure an extra nationally televised game because of this, I think the image problem could affect periphrial skins fans to stop buying Skins gear....as you can tell, many Skins fans can't stomach what Vick did...many may even boycott...more than likely, fans that merely favor the Skins could be lost forever due to a move to get him.

Danny cares about revenue....and I believe this one is more on the con side than the pro side in terms of revenue production....therefore, I predict the Skins will not touch this with a 10 foot pole.

[DBUCHANON101]

therefore, I predict the Skins will not touch this with a 10 foot pole.


Agreed.

[Daseal]

I don't know. I like Vick. I never really had any hardcore issues with what he did. I mean, don't get wrong, I like animals so I'm not fond of his poor decision making in that area, however I do see that our society has it's priorities backward when we send Vick to prison for dogfighting & Bill Romanowski not only remains in the League (at the time he beat his wife up in what can only best be described as a roid rage fit), but also ends up getting into a couple of movies. So we reward people who hurt other people & show the world that we care about our dogs more? I don't get it.


That being said, I don't know that we should consider this option. We already get enough bad press (no, I am not among those who feel that any press is good press) & this would only add to that. Plus, I don't know that Vick would fit well with what we are trying to do here. JMO

First let me say, I'm not trying to defend the actions of the people below, but rather trying to point out the reasoning behind such outrage. There are lots of people that commit crimes in the NFL. Few I see as disgusting as what Michael Vick did to those poor animals.

The most common of the NFL arrests seem to come from alcohol, and the most serious offenses are DUIs. Don't get me wrong, driving under the influence is beyond stupid and no one, especially people such as star athletes should ever drive drunk. But, this is where we start looking at intent. These people are stupid, not malicious. Their intent is NOT to harm and maim other people, it's to get home. A bad decision for sure, and worthy of jail time, but in my mind the crime isn't as gross, but can definitely be more tragic.

Domestic disputes are also very high. Violence in the home is a scary thing. I would never advocate the abuse of a spouse. However, I also start to lose patience the longer a person stays in a situation like that. If the words "He hit me" and "again" are in the same sentence -- you've lost my sympathy. Wife beaters DO NOT CHANGE. If he hits you once, get the **** out. You're a human with control and the ability to leave a situation. Perhaps a shelter isn't the ideal situation, but it gives you ability to get back on your feet and away from the asshole.

The problem with dog fighting is this, the dogs have no say in the matter and Vick made a conscious decision to torture them. So not only do the animals not have the power to leave the situation, Vick also is killing them, brutally, on purpose. Are there worse things than dog fighting and the torture of animals? Absolutely, but that type of reasoning is dangerous. That's asking people to monopolize all their time, effort, and money on one issue. I am a huge animal lover, I currently have two cats, and my parents have 4 dogs. I just don't understand how someone could do that to something that gives you nothing but love, all the time.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Domestic disputes are also very high. Violence in the home is a scary thing. I would never advocate the abuse of a spouse. However, I also start to lose patience the longer a person stays in a situation like that. If the words "He hit me" and "again" are in the same sentence -- you've lost my sympathy. Wife beaters DO NOT CHANGE. If he hits you once, get the **** out. You're a human with control and the ability to leave a situation. Perhaps a shelter isn't the ideal situation, but it gives you ability to get back on your feet and away from the asshole.

This paragraph screams to me that you have never dealt with this situation or even know someone who has been in an abusive relationship or been told by her abusive spouse, "if you leave, I'll kill you!" If you have no sympathy for a woman who is afraid for her life (& I have seen numerous film clips & read numerous newspaper articles & other stories where the estranged abusive husband returns & takes her life-check any number of Ann Rule books in your local library under "True Crime" section), then how am I supposed to have sympathy for a dog? Wife beaters are violent & they live to invoke fear into others, mainly their spouses & all too often, there are few places for a down-trodden woman to go where she can actually feel &/or be safe. And what if they have a kid together? You are trivializing something you clearly know little about.

The problem with dog fighting is this, the dogs have no say in the matter and Vick made a conscious decision to torture them. So not only do the animals not have the power to leave the situation, Vick also is killing them, brutally, on purpose. Are there worse things than dog fighting and the torture of animals? Absolutely, but that type of reasoning is dangerous. That's asking people to monopolize all their time, effort, and money on one issue. I am a huge animal lover, I currently have two cats, and my parents have 4 dogs. I just don't understand how someone could do that to something that gives you nothing but love, all the time.

I'm not saying that Vick SHOULDN'T have served time in jail, but that being the case, the wife beaters should serve MORE time then. What Vick did was disgusting, of this there is little doubt. But to trivialize one human being hurting another human being for any reason OTHER THAN self-defense & giving presedence to animals rights while people like Romanowski, Pittman, Julio Cesar Chavez & countless others still walk the streets without fear of prison...well, that's just silly.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

First let me say, I'm not trying to defend the actions of the people below, but rather trying to point out the reasoning behind such outrage. There are lots of people that commit crimes in the NFL. Few I see as disgusting as what Michael Vick did to those poor animals.

The most common of the NFL arrests seem to come from alcohol, and the most serious offenses are DUIs. Don't get me wrong, driving under the influence is beyond stupid and no one, especially people such as star athletes should ever drive drunk. But, this is where we start looking at intent. These people are stupid, not malicious. Their intent is NOT to harm and maim other people, it's to get home. A bad decision for sure, and worthy of jail time, but in my mind the crime isn't as gross, but can definitely be more tragic.

Domestic disputes are also very high. Violence in the home is a scary thing. I would never advocate the abuse of a spouse. However, I also start to lose patience the longer a person stays in a situation like that. If the words "He hit me" and "again" are in the same sentence -- you've lost my sympathy. Wife beaters DO NOT CHANGE. If he hits you once, get the **** out. You're a human with control and the ability to leave a situation. Perhaps a shelter isn't the ideal situation, but it gives you ability to get back on your feet and away from the asshole.

The problem with dog fighting is this, the dogs have no say in the matter and Vick made a conscious decision to torture them. So not only do the animals not have the power to leave the situation, Vick also is killing them, brutally, on purpose. Are there worse things than dog fighting and the torture of animals? Absolutely, but that type of reasoning is dangerous. That's asking people to monopolize all their time, effort, and money on one issue. I am a huge animal lover, I currently have two cats, and my parents have 4 dogs. I just don't understand how someone could do that to something that gives you nothing but love, all the time.

Exactly.

[DBUCHANON101]

Im not even counting what he did against him, as a player,better yet as a QB i was never impressed with him. He can run,thats it. He scares noone with his arm IMO.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Im not even counting what he did against him, as a player,better yet as a QB i was never impressed with him. He can run,thats it. He scares noone with his arm IMO.

He was the first QB to beat Green Bay in the playoffs at Lambeau Field & he did that with his arm for the most part. I'll bet he scares Packers fans. And despite everyone's disgust with the man, he had some fairly decent raw talent & could throw a pass farther then most on the field today. I believe he was once recorded throwing a 70 yard pass in the air...from his knees. Not so sure about the accuracy, but he could definitely launch the ball.

[DBUCHANON101]

And as a team learning a new Offense i dont see any reason to bring in another offensive set to get 1 player on the field.

[hagams]

He's a good QB, but where did he take the Falcons before he got locked up? If we had Vick, JC, and Colt, I think we would be extremely QB heavy. If they make a move for Vick, JC will be gone.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by hagams

He's a good QB, but where did he take the Falcons before he got locked up? If we had Vick, JC, and Colt, I think we would be extremely QB heavy. If they make a move for Vick, JC will be gone.

Are you kidding? He took them into Lambeau and led them to the NFC championship. He's a playmaker, and we need more of them on the Skins.

[Boston Brave]

Vick would be a great signing for the Skins, good player (not great) and solid VT fan base still and would help keep the Skins solide in the Tidewater VA area. I know fan bases are nation/world wide but nothing like have the locals. There is a reason the Skins go to VA Beach every year. Vick still has 5 years in him, barring major injury.

[DBUCHANON101]

Again, we need a passer,not a runner. WR Roddy White was considered to be approaching 'Bust' status with Vick at QB. He got a better passer at the position in Ryan and had a great yr and now is considered to be a top WR in the league.

[Daseal]

Wonder if Vick will ever play again or if he may go to Canada?

Vick will not be going to Canada. Canada can and will refuse entry to U.S. citizens who are felons. I also believe there may be a law prohibiting the employment of felons in Canada.

Originally Posted by Daseal

I also believe there may be a law prohibiting the employment of felons in Canada.

Really? So if I live in Canada and commit a felony how would I make a living after I got released from prison? Commit another crime?

Im really perplexed. Is this only for Americans trying to get work in Canada? :confused:

[Redskin Warrior]

Michael Vick Cops Felony Plea - August 24, 2007

These are Vick's court documents and some stuff that has been put out there about him is untrue and some are true. I refuse to get into a debate/argument about the situation. I just submitting the facts take it how you want to.