Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall

[Carnage]

I will stand by this secondary. All of them are willing tacklers and no one looked good yesterday. Hall went to VA tech where run support is emphasized. Smoot shirked early in his career but hits hard. Rogers is physical as are the safeties. MANY corners are cowards in run support. I dont see any on this team.

[GTripp0012]

I also think we're overstating the difference between Rogers, who catches 30-40% of balls that hit him in the hands, and Hall, who catches 60-80%. The difference in INTs between them is way more circumstantial than talent-related.

Hall also never picks off quarterbacks who are any good, which supports the statment above.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I also think we're overstating the difference between Rogers, who catches 30-40% of balls that hit him in the hands, and Hall, who catches 60-80%. The difference in INTs between them is way more circumstantial than talent-related.

Hall also never picks off quarterbacks who are any good, which supports the statment above.

I think you are being a little loose with stats on this one Tripp, of course I don't have any better. Hall's best talent is his opportunistic INTS, I think he has played in 5 games for us, and has at least 3 INTs. Carlos had a ball hit in stride and in his hands and he dropped it. That said I would rather have 2 Carlos' then 2 Halls any game of the year. Carlos will not get beat (I haven't seen it in the last year). Hall will give up a lot of plays. I just wish Carlos had better hands, but I imagine having bad hands forced him to play his position better to stay ahead of those flashy guys that get INTs

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think you are being a little loose with stats on this one Tripp, of course I don't have any better. Hall's best talent is his opportunistic INTS, I think he has played in 5 games for us, and has at least 3 INTs. Carlos had a ball hit in stride and in his hands and he dropped it. That said I would rather have 2 Carlos' then 2 Halls any game of the year. Carlos will not get beat (I haven't seen it in the last year). Hall will give up a lot of plays. I just wish Carlos had better hands, but I imagine having bad hands forced him to play his position better to stay ahead of those flashy guys that get INTs

Did you not see the Bengals or Ravens games last year? He gave up big TD in both games. Has Hall given up a TD pass as a Redskin in the regular season?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think you are being a little loose with stats on this one Tripp, of course I don't have any better. Hall's best talent is his opportunistic INTS, I think he has played in 5 games for us, and has at least 3 INTs. Carlos had a ball hit in stride and in his hands and he dropped it. That said I would rather have 2 Carlos' then 2 Halls any game of the year. Carlos will not get beat (I haven't seen it in the last year). Hall will give up a lot of plays. I just wish Carlos had better hands, but I imagine having bad hands forced him to play his position better to stay ahead of those flashy guys that get INTs

Well, just last year, I charted Rogers with 3 dropped INTs in 6 attempts (he's the new 50-50!), and charted Hall with 2 dropped INTs in 4 attempts. And no, I don't have any numbers prior to last season, so I had to adjust subjectively.

But more importantly, what is it saying that Hall plays 7 games here, and had 4 INT attempts, while Rogers plays 16 games, with only 6 INTs. Consider: Rogers was 2nd in all of football with 24 passes defended. Certainly, he's getting to the ball. No, I think it says more about where the ball is going.

[CRedskinsRule]

I didn't see the Philly game, but my understanding is Jackson was behind him wide open, and just missed the ball.


as for the rest if I had one play, one game, and I had to choose between Carlos and DHall to defend a TD pass, I would choose Carlos every time.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I didn't see the Philly game, but my understanding is Jackson was behind him wide open, and just missed the ball.


as for the rest if I had one play, one game, and I had to choose between Carlos and DHall to defend a TD pass, I would choose Carlos every time.

So now we're dinging for 'almost' TD? How does that show in the paper? So in 7 games as a Redskin he almost got beat for one TD. He's GARBAGE!!

Would there be as much D. Hall hate if he grew up in Sedona, AZ and went to Central Michigan? I really doubt it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So now we're dinging for 'almost' TD? How does that show i the paper? So in 7 games as a Redskin he almost got beat for one TD. He's GARBAGE!!

Would there be as much D. Hall hate if he grew up in Sedona, AZ and went to Central Michigan? I really doubt it.

Man you've got me wrong, I like the excitement DHall brings, I just think he can get beat a bit more often. Hands down he gives us a better shot at the interceptions from the pressure we hope to get.

As to where he grew up or went to, hell I could not tell you that for any of the skins, except maybe Orakpo, so what is that all about?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Man you've got me wrong, I like the excitement DHall brings, I just think he can get beat a bit more often. Hands down he gives us a better shot at the interceptions from the pressure we hope to get.

As to where he grew up or went to, hell I could not tell you that for any of the skins, except maybe Orakpo, so what is that all about?

Just seems that since he was a local kid (and for the record I don't, nor never have lived in or near the DC area) some people are universally for or against him no matter what he does. Call it the Marcus Mason syndrome, lol.

[GTripp0012]

There's also a lot of evidence to suggests that defenses can't do anything to create interception opportunities, and that they always regress to the mean every year. In this case, this would suggest the difference in INTs between Rogers and Hall are entirely circumstantial.

Of course, Rogers still obviously drops a higher percentage of his INTs, that's not at all in dispute. But how many of Hall's INTs are of the variety from Sunday: only there for the taking because it was thrown at a receiver he was lined up against, and someone else made the play?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's also a lot of evidence to suggests that defenses can't do anything to create interception opportunities, and that they always regress to the mean every year. In this case, this would suggest the difference in INTs between Rogers and Hall are entirely circumstantial.

Of course, Rogers still obviously drops a higher percentage of his INTs, that's not at all in dispute. But how many of Hall's INTs are of the variety from Sunday: only there for the taking because it was thrown at a receiver he was lined up against, and someone else made the play?

I don't think it really matters. Ball+hands=catch. Who cares if it was tipped at the line, a blown route or a great break by the corner? Make the play.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's also a lot of evidence to suggests that defenses can't do anything to create interception opportunities, and that they always regress to the mean every year. In this case, this would suggest the difference in INTs between Rogers and Hall are entirely circumstantial.

Of course, Rogers still obviously drops a higher percentage of his INTs, that's not at all in dispute. But how many of Hall's INTs are of the variety from Sunday: only there for the taking because it was thrown at a receiver he was lined up against, and someone else made the play?

If Hall had been in better position coverage wise, he probably wouldn't have made the pick yesterday. He was three yards off the intended when Landry tipped the ball to him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Here's my thinking, if JCutler were throwing int's into the hands of Hall - you know he likes to throw them right into the DB's hands - Hall would catch 4 out of 4 last night, Rogers would have to catch one of those beauties wouldn't he?

:P its a new week, new opponent, who IS the Rams qb anyway?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Here's my thinking, if JCutler were throwing int's into the hands of Hall - you know he likes to throw them right into the DB's hands - Hall would catch 4 out of 4 last night, Rogers would have to catch one of those beauties wouldn't he?

:P its a new week, new opponent, who IS the Rams qb anyway?

Marc Bulger.

[GTripp0012]

I think you could also make an argument that Hall is simply better at returning INTs than Rogers is, and you could probably support it, but I don't even want to try to quantify that.