Tebow: Is he the Redskins solution?

[Eknox]

I hear he's a great kid, don't want him as the QB for our Washington Redskins. Let's stop the QB talk and if everyone did there job we would have won..It's a team sport so let's take the wins as a team and losses as a team..

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Eknox

I hear he's a great kid, don't want him as the QB for our Washington Redskins. Let's stop the QB talk and if everyone did there job we would have won..It's a team sport so let's take the wins as a team and losses as a team..

So carolina's problems aren't Jake Delholmes fault. Must of been DeAngello Williams and Julius Peppers fault for the 4 interceptions and a fumble.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Eknox

I hear he's a great kid, don't want him as the QB for our Washington Redskins. Let's stop the QB talk and if everyone did there job we would have won..It's a team sport so let's take the wins as a team and losses as a team..

You know what you're right. If everone did their job then they would've won. If everyone did their job then they would've won a lot of games that they should've won easily. It's just that we are asking everyone BUT Jason Campbell to do their job. Because of his efficiencies everone else has to play damn near perfect. When Moss runs a post route Jason throws a fly. When Kelly ran that beautiful route against Pittsburgh he's running across the field and where did Jason throw it ? Straight. But the deep ball is his best right ? When receivers run slants or drags or crossing routes he doesn't throw to them he usually throws behind them. He doesn't beat the DB by throwing the ball to the SPOT that the receiver is going to end up but to the area near where the receiver will be but he has to wait for him to get there, therefore giving a guy time to recover. I'm sorry bro, it's all about the JC. He's been playing in this league for too long to get passes on the rookie mistakes that he still makes. Cry about the O-Line all day but we can see that they really aren't the problem. It's him. Point Blank. This team is missing one thing to put them over the hump and until THAT part of this team is fixed we'll still be a middle of the pack coulda shoulda woulda type team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

You know what you're right. If everone did their job then they would've won. If everyone did their job then they would've won a lot of games that they should've won easily. It's just that we are asking everyone BUT Jason Campbell to do their job. Because of his efficiencies everone else has to play damn near perfect. When Moss runs a post route Jason throws a fly. When Kelly ran that beautiful route against Pittsburgh he's running across the field and where did Jason throw it ? Straight. But the deep ball is his best right ? When receivers run slants or drags or crossing routes he doesn't throw to them he usually throws behind them. He doesn't beat the DB by throwing the ball to the SPOT that the receiver is going to end up but to the area near where the receiver will be but he has to wait for him to get there, therefore giving a guy time to recover. I'm sorry bro, it's all about the JC. He's been playing in this league for too long to get passes on the rookie mistakes that he still makes. Cry about the O-Line all day but we can see that they really aren't the problem. It's him. Point Blank. This team is missing one thing to put them over the hump and until THAT part of this team is fixed we'll still be a middle of the pack coulda shoulda woulda type team.

I would say that it is not all about JC, but it is about this team not having a playmaker. We don't have an offensive player that makes others around him better. That's plain and simple. You can typically get by in this league with an average QB or RB or WR as long as you have a playmaker or two that can change the outcome of the game.

Let's take Minny for example...they've had average/pedestrian QB play, average WRs, but they have a playmaker in Adrian Peterson and their defense. In our team, these would be the candidates to be playmakers: our defense, clinton portis, santana moss, and maybe cooley...unfortunately none of those players/units are considered playmakers.

[Njall]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I would say that it is not all about JC, but it is about this team not having a playmaker. We don't have an offensive player that makes others around him better. That's plain and simple. You can typically get by in this league with an average QB or RB or WR as long as you have a playmaker or two that can change the outcome of the game.

Let's take Minny for example...they've had average/pedestrian QB play, average WRs, but they have a playmaker in Adrian Peterson and their defense. In our team, these would be the candidates to be playmakers: our defense, clinton portis, santana moss, and maybe cooley...unfortunately none of those players/units are considered playmakers.

Ok . Why didn't Broncos take Campbell ? They have playmakers great receivers . but picked Orton instead.

Why did Skin's go after Sanchez and Cutler?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Njall

Ok . Why didn't Broncos take Campbell ? They have playmakers great receivers . but picked Orton instead.

I think you are missing the point...my point is that our team needs playmakers if we are to have an average QB. And I was saying that teams can get by with an average QB if they have playmakers at other positions. Campbell is an average QB, but he is supposed to have a playmaker in Portis and in our defensive unit...but none of them are, despite the fact that we are playing Portis and people in our defense as though they are playmakers.

And I think you could have picked a better example than Denver, a team that basically alienated one of their playmakers (Marshall) and ran the other out of town (Cutler)

Originally Posted by Njall

Why did Skin's go after Sanchez and Cutler?

The Skins went after Sanchez and Cutler because they want a playmaker QB...but I don't know if there is a team out there that has only one playmaker that can carry the rest of the team (well except Brady in '06).

[MonkFan4Life]

They aren't. The thing is that this team has enough talent to win games. A lot of them. The man simply cannot take the burden off of anyone. That's my problem. During the offseason we were told how much more of a handle he had on this offense and it's clear that he doesn't. Earlier in this thread someons said that the audible to the run was a good call and that it was Thomas' fault. Really ? This is what I'm talking about. he makes a mistak and instead of blaming him we have to find someone else to blame. When he threw that pick after he was clearly past the ling of scrimmage we blame Moss for not comming back to the ball. Maybe it's because Jason was one step from the sideline about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage. The camera focused on Jasons face after the Skins broke the huddle up until the ball was snapped. They were in a shotgun and do you want to know how much time Jason took out to scan the defense JUST IN CASE he had to make and adjustment ? Not one second. He all of a sudden can run the offense when the game is over, what happens to the other 3 1/4 quarters of play ? Clinton put up 1,400 or so yards last year but he can't do it all by himself. You QB makes your receivers better than they are, not the other way around. When there are 8 men in the box Mr. Deep Ball should be exploiting that. When team show blitz he doesn't change a thing. EVER. If you play Madden, and yes it's that simple, you adjust to what the defense shows you.

[firstdown]

I don't watch much college ball but caught the Miami game and mane that guy they have playing QB was pretty impressive. If I heard right this is his first year starting but he looked prety poised to me.

[Kalisto2010]

Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros.

No, but it does mean everyone who's come out of there so far has under performed in NFL. And based on that assessment I would exercise extreme caution before investing a high draft pick in a Florida QB.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

That was an excellent demonstration of critical thinking - (that is a good thing!)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

Excellent argument, Rajmahal.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...

By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.

Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?

I think the Florida QB "curse" is legitimate. Why? Simple, in college, the offense still has a bigger edge than in the pros. The fun n gun and its variants can make even an average to above average QB look great. Florida was becoming a power before Spurrier under Galen Hall, Spurrier was the one who got the over the "hump" in becoming a true national power. None of Hall's or Spurrier's QBs really did anything in the pros. Tebow is more athletic than any other Florida QB in recent memory, but the guy is way overhyped. As for USC and their QB's? That is a mixed bag. Yeah you have Leinhart and Palmer, but that is it. Remember Sean Salisbury? Rodney Pete was OK for awhile, but was a bench warmer for the most part. Palmer is an injury waiting to happen and Leinhart had an old geezer beat him out!!!!