Where are Kelly & Thomas?

CRedskinsRule · 10-06-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

They say its more of less him learning the plays. Not talent. He was more of a deep threat at Nevada. Saying that why can't we use him in certain situations liek endzone or being a deep threat?

Also some one is saying that we are expecting them to be 1,000 yard receivers. I dont think that is the case. We just want them to make "some" plays. Right now they are making none. Kelly will improve when he learns to use his size to shield/post up defenders and make himself a more viable and safe target.

To learn implies someone is teaching him. It may be hopeless.

skinsguy · 10-06-2009, 05:57 PM

Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.

SmootSmack · 10-06-2009, 06:03 PM

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Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.

Painfully funny

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-06-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

To learn implies someone is teaching him. It may be hopeless.

I think he is learning. I am not going to use stabilty in one offense as an excuse. But I will say this. If JC was to get more comfortable in an offense he would be able to learn the different nuances and not have to think as much. Do some people question his intelligence and whether he can read defenses? Yes they do. But how do they know? Just because he may over look a receiver? I for one think that Zorn is giving him a little bit of freedom at a time. Once you get comfortable in a offense you don't have to think about the plays as much. You can sit back and read the defense and concentrate on that and call an audible if neccessary. I think Zorn is teaching him. But letting him get comfortable in the offense also. In the no huddle offense he excels. Whether you think it is in garbage time or not. Zorn give him a set of up to ten plays to call for that situation and JC does the rest on his own. So he obvouisly understand the plays. He is just still growing. There are other issues liek offense line and young receivers and still working out the kinks in the play calling. No QB will make it here if we dont have a little patience. God forbid we draft a rookie and have a losing record and they do horrible the first year. Some peoples heads might explode. lol

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-06-2009, 06:09 PM

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Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley.

I made that point earlier. So we are back to the point where we were before we drafted Kelly and Malcom. Some people are not getting that. Like it was said at the beginning of the season. Our success is hinged on whether one of the receivers steps up. We also thought our defense would be much better than what it is. I think we will surprise a few people by the end of the year. We have a few more games and a bye week. I think we will work some of these kinks out. We are 2-2 not 0-4. If we were then I would definitely panic.

To add to that our running game is suffering. CP may or may not have lost a step. But I remember him racing against Laron Landry in OTAs and them coming up as a tie. Not so much he has lost a step. But he is nicked up and we ran him into the ground. More about injury that being older (Rock & Betts are older than CP). Not to mention our patchwork O-line. So we might even be worse off than we were last year or the year before. Are people taking these factors into consideration? I just think we will right the ship. We just need to have a little faith and patience. Just a little.

JLee9718 · 10-06-2009, 06:16 PM

Right, I want to see Marko in for a change.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-06-2009, 06:28 PM

I was just thinking about something. Remember when we had Brunell and he was constantly throwing the ball away? I woudl give JC a little credit in the aspect because even though he might not throw the ball away. He throws it to a receiver. They might not make the first down by getting that extrea but atleast its not a lost play and is a positive yardage play. Only thing I will say about that though is JC needs to have better ball security. But that can be worked on.

tryfuhl · 10-06-2009, 08:24 PM

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tryfuhl · 10-06-2009, 08:26 PM

Hell Moss can go up and catch some balls.. you can see him really battle for it in close coverage

we're not throwing it into close coverage in the end zone unless it's a really stupid throw though it seems

tryfuhl · 10-06-2009, 08:31 PM

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44Deezel · 10-06-2009, 08:36 PM

I heard on the radio that Moss was the only WR to catch a ball against the Bucs. Could that be right? How is that even possible? Not even ARE? Since Kelly can't get separation, or run to a spot or in the seam against zone defenses or catch a screen pass or run a reverse or catch jump balls, can he at least run as fast as he can for 10-15 yards, stop and turn around? Everyone on this board can at least do that, right? It's a simple timing route. Not 1 friggin pass to another WR? Just putrid.

JLee9718 · 10-06-2009, 08:42 PM

Bring on Marko Mitchell! Bring back Champ Bailey!!! I cannot believe Joe Gibbs traded him AND a 2nd round draft choice for CP! Good corners are hard to find, and Hall of Fame corners are keepers! Also, we could've drafted a solid offensive lineman with that 2nd rounder.

GTripp0012 · 10-06-2009, 08:44 PM

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I heard on the radio that Moss was the only WR to catch a ball against the Bucs. Could that be right? How is that even possible? Not even ARE? Since Kelly can't get separation, or run to a spot or in the seam against zone defenses or catch a screen pass or run a reverse or catch jump balls, can he at least run as fast as he can for 10-15 yards, stop and turn around? Everyone on this board can at least do that, right? It's a simple timing route. Not 1 friggin pass to another WR? Just putrid.

ARE and Devin Thomas hardly played at all (a combined 30 snaps, and some of those were runs). So that only leaves Kelly and Moss.

Kelly was targeted twice, and both passes were picked by Talib.

Campbell only completed 12 passes, and 10 were to TEs or backs. Which isn't completely unheard of, especially since the focal point of the Bucs defense was our receivers. Talib on Kelly creates mismatches elsewhere. Unfortunately, we were not able to take advantage of them ever. Ronde Barber looked like he was 28 out there.

tryfuhl · 10-06-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

The packers wr corp is a lot better than our and their o-line is too

8 sacks.. 8

4.5 by one player

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-06-2009, 09:01 PM

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Some things aren't worth wasting words.

10-06-2009, 05:57 PM	#92
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas? Isn't funny that through all of our off season moves to get fresh new help for Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, our leading receivers are still Santana Moss and Chris Cooley. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-06-2009, 06:16 PM	#96
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas? Right, I want to see Marko in for a change.

10-06-2009, 06:28 PM	#97
dmvskinzfan08 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 968	Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas? I was just thinking about something. Remember when we had Brunell and he was constantly throwing the ball away? I woudl give JC a little credit in the aspect because even though he might not throw the ball away. He throws it to a receiver. They might not make the first down by getting that extrea but atleast its not a lost play and is a positive yardage play. Only thing I will say about that though is JC needs to have better ball security. But that can be worked on. __________________ HTTR 09 - RIP#21 HATERS << Misery Loves Company

10-06-2009, 08:26 PM	#99
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas? Hell Moss can go up and catch some balls.. you can see him really battle for it in close coverage we're not throwing it into close coverage in the end zone unless it's a really stupid throw though it seems

10-06-2009, 08:36 PM	#101
44Deezel The Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Davidsonville Posts: 1,783	Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas? I heard on the radio that Moss was the only WR to catch a ball against the Bucs. Could that be right? How is that even possible? Not even ARE? Since Kelly can't get separation, or run to a spot or in the seam against zone defenses or catch a screen pass or run a reverse or catch jump balls, can he at least run as fast as he can for 10-15 yards, stop and turn around? Everyone on this board can at least do that, right? It's a simple timing route. Not 1 friggin pass to another WR? Just putrid. __________________ I am a system poster.

10-06-2009, 08:42 PM	#102
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas? Bring on Marko Mitchell! Bring back Champ Bailey!!! I cannot believe Joe Gibbs traded him AND a 2nd round draft choice for CP! Good corners are hard to find, and Hall of Fame corners are keepers! Also, we could've drafted a solid offensive lineman with that 2nd rounder.

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