ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

Dirtbag59 · 02-18-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Thank you! Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rogers seem to be able to elevate their play with sub-par lines...why do we excuse JC's mediocrity?

The difference was the time they were given to throw. Ben and Rogers were able to complete 7 step drops. Their style is high risk high reward. Either they get sacked or a receiver breaks open and the offense gets a big completion.

JC behind our O-Line wasn't even able to complete much more then a 3 step drop. Thats the difference.

I'm not the biggest JC supporter but comparing JC to Big Ben and Rodgers because all three were frequently sacked isn't the way to go about arguing against JC.

tryfuhl · 02-18-2010, 02:26 PM

Couldn't agree more Smoot.

SmootSmack · 02-18-2010, 04:30 PM

I've only heard one maybe two people say that Clausen is not a first round talent.

tryfuhl · 02-18-2010, 04:32 PM

Yeah, somebody's gotta stand out. If you want to make the argument that there aren't many guarantees at QB that's fine, but for someone like McShay to call him 36 is kind of interesting. The position alone warrants a move up the charts.. and that's in his mock draft, not even his draft/talent board right?

GridIron26 · 02-18-2010, 05:40 PM

Skins' Campbell won't go quietly - NFC East Blog - ESPN

GTripp0012 · 02-18-2010, 06:28 PM

2009 Sack Rates

Jason Campbell: 7.8%, 550 dropbacks
Aaron Rodgers: 8.5%, 591 dropbacks
Ben Roethlisberger: 9.0%, 556 dropbacks

Who made what look good again?

tryfuhl · 02-18-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2009 Sack Rates

Jason Campbell: 7.8%, 550 dropbacks
Aaron Rodgers: 8.5%, 591 dropbacks
Ben Roethlisberger: 9.0%, 556 dropbacks

Who made what look good again?

yeah they got hit more, but also put up better numbers

either way, great QB or not you shouldn't put up with that type of line if you care about your QB

Monkeydad · 02-19-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

2009 Sack Rates

Jason Campbell: 7.8%, 550 dropbacks
Aaron Rodgers: 8.5%, 591 dropbacks
Ben Roethlisberger: 9.0%, 556 dropbacks

Who made what look good again?

This is only due to the fact that Campbell is the only one of those three who can run and break sack tackles. Seriously. He escaped a LOT last year.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 02-19-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

This is only due to the fact that Campbell is the only one of those three who can run and break sack tackles. Seriously. He escaped a LOT last year.

Big Ben is a LOT harder to bring down and keeps plays alive much better than Campbell.

Beneil (diehard since 87) · 02-19-2010, 01:10 PM

I agree that Ben is harder to take down. He is pretty good at keeping the play alive. Of course, that's a lot easier if you think the guy you're throwing to is gonna catch the ball. I think Campbell runs more effectively though.

What I wouldn't give for a sure handed, Art Monk-style receiver. Not the biggest stat monster or YAC man, just a guy that you know is gonna tatch the ball if it's catchable. If anyone knows a site that keeps good track of the "Dropped Balls" statistic, please let me know.

tryfuhl · 02-19-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I agree that Ben is harder to take down. He is pretty good at keeping the play alive. Of course, that's a lot easier if you think the guy you're throwing to is gonna catch the ball. I think Campbell runs more effectively though.

What I wouldn't give for a sure handed, Art Monk-style receiver. Not the biggest stat monster or YAC man, just a guy that you know is gonna tatch the ball if it's catchable. If anyone knows a site that keeps good track of the "Dropped Balls" statistic, please let me know.

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Lotus · 02-19-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Big Ben is a LOT harder to bring down and keeps plays alive much better than Campbell.

If there were a Houdini Award for escape-artist QB's, Big Ben would be in the running every year.

GridIron26 · 02-19-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

If there were a Houdini Award for escape-artist QB's, Big Ben would be in the running every year.

Romo would be one of the top candidates, as well..

D'BOYZ · 02-18-2010, 06:34 PM

who's going to pay a 1st and 3rd for campbell he wasn't even worht the 1st yo uused nthe first place... he's an ok QB could be good i na few years maybe i nthe right system but no way worth a 1st and 3rd right now.... maybe a 3rd only.

skinsfaninok · 02-18-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

who's going to pay a 1st and 3rd for campbell he wasn't even worht the 1st yo uused nthe first place... he's an ok QB could be good i na few years maybe i nthe right system but no way worth a 1st and 3rd right now.... maybe a 3rd only.

In a few years? Dude he is 28 years old.. How much more time does this guy need? I like JC but his time is up in D.C, and yes I agree with you but Campbell is worth atleast a 2nd round pick.. Anyone who takes a beaten like JC did last year deserves a good pick lol.

02-18-2010, 02:26 PM	#2
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd Couldn't agree more Smoot.

02-18-2010, 04:30 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd I've only heard one maybe two people say that Clausen is not a first round talent. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-18-2010, 04:32 PM	#4
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd Yeah, somebody's gotta stand out. If you want to make the argument that there aren't many guarantees at QB that's fine, but for someone like McShay to call him 36 is kind of interesting. The position alone warrants a move up the charts.. and that's in his mock draft, not even his draft/talent board right?

02-18-2010, 05:40 PM	#5
GridIron26 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Age: 37 Posts: 3,704	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd Skins' Campbell won't go quietly - NFC East Blog - ESPN

02-18-2010, 06:28 PM	#6
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd 2009 Sack Rates Jason Campbell: 7.8%, 550 dropbacks Aaron Rodgers: 8.5%, 591 dropbacks Ben Roethlisberger: 9.0%, 556 dropbacks Who made what look good again? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

02-19-2010, 01:10 PM	#10
Beneil (diehard since 87) Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 118	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd I agree that Ben is harder to take down. He is pretty good at keeping the play alive. Of course, that's a lot easier if you think the guy you're throwing to is gonna catch the ball. I think Campbell runs more effectively though. What I wouldn't give for a sure handed, Art Monk-style receiver. Not the biggest stat monster or YAC man, just a guy that you know is gonna tatch the ball if it's catchable. If anyone knows a site that keeps good track of the "Dropped Balls" statistic, please let me know.

02-18-2010, 06:34 PM	#14
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd who's going to pay a 1st and 3rd for campbell he wasn't even worht the 1st yo uused nthe first place... he's an ok QB could be good i na few years maybe i nthe right system but no way worth a 1st and 3rd right now.... maybe a 3rd only.

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