Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

[SmootSmack]

-Uncapped year I don't think it matters moneywise if we take a QB or LT or whatever in the first round

-Feel like I've said this a million times, but drafting a QB in the first round does not equal disregarding the offensive line. The Skins aren't planning on waiting until draft day, taking a QB at 4, and then going home

-Sure Bradford's shoulder is a concern, but all indications are that he's fine and if teams never drafted guys because they had injuries...there'd be no draft to begin with

-There's more buzz though that we're not taking either Bradford or Clausen in the first round (who knows for sure though)

-I think Moss should have been traded last year (if not the year before). His value is slipping but we need to see what we can get out of him. We also need to move forward with DT and Kelly and whoever else as our starting receivers

-Unfortunately we made moves in the past (Duckett, Lloyd, Taylor) that have no hurt us as we try to move forward. We can either sit and moan about it or make do with we have. What we have is guys like Laron Landry playing for a last place team so it makes sense to see what a guy like Landry can bring back. That doesn't mean you just trade him, it means you explore the options

-There will most likely be a draft in 2011 so the conditional status of any pick that year shouldn't be a concern

-Mentioned it in another thread (and many times before) but I'm keeping an eye on Jevan Snead. Reading between the lines of what people are telling me he sounds like a prime mid-round candidate

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

-Uncapped year I don't think it matters moneywise if we take a QB or LT or whatever in the first round

-Feel like I've said this a million times, but drafting a QB in the first round does not equal disregarding the offensive line. The Skins aren't planning on waiting until draft day, taking a QB at 4, and then going home

-Sure Bradford's shoulder is a concern, but all indications are that he's fine and if teams never drafted guys because they had injuries...there'd be no draft to begin with

-There's more buzz though that we're not taking either Bradford or Clausen in the first round (who knows for sure though)

-I think Moss should have been traded last year (if not the year before). His value is slipping but we need to see what we can get out of him. We also need to move forward with DT and Kelly and whoever else as our starting receivers

-Unfortunately we made moves in the past (Duckett, Lloyd, Taylor) that have no hurt us as we try to move forward. We can either sit and moan about it or make do with we have. What we have is guys like Laron Landry playing for a last place team so it makes sense to see what a guy like Landry can bring back. That doesn't mean you just trade him, it means you explore the options

-There will most likely be a draft in 2011 so the conditional status of any pick that year shouldn't be a concern

-Mentioned it in another thread (and many times before) but I'm keeping an eye on Jevan Snead. Reading between the lines of what people are telling me he sounds like a prime mid-round candidate

1) If we trade JC to Buffalo, I'd almost bet my monthly paycheck that we will pick Bradford or Clausen at #4, not an OT, and likely also sign a vet who can start until the young buck is ready for prime time.

2) I'm not doubting you but I don't understand such Snead love. I saw a lot of him and was unimpressed. In the most charitable scenario, it seems like he would not be ready to start any time soon, but the guy I saw did not look like even starter material. My two cents in my role of "NOT a quarterback guru."

[Ruhskins]

I'm sick of hearing this....

Plus Shanahan is known for getting excellent results out of mid to late round OL talent.

Even if it isn't with a first round tackle, I want the team to put a lot of focus and resources in building the offensive line and not "chance it" with just low round picks.

Didn't we use to say the same thing about Bugle? "Oh he can coach anyone up."

I want for the team to draft at least a 2nd round tackle, to do their homework on the limited talent in free agency, and have a plan to address the offensive line, and not just hope that a whole bunch of mid to low rounders just work out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sick of hearing this....



Even if it isn't with a first round tackle, I want the team to put a lot of focus and resources in building the offensive line and not "chance it" with just low round picks.

Didn't we use to say the same thing about Bugle? "Oh he can coach anyone up."

I want for the team to draft at least a 2nd round tackle, to do their homework on the limited talent in free agency, and have a plan to address the offensive line, and not just hope that a whole bunch of mid to low rounders just work out.

Hear hear! All well said.

When is the last time that we said, "the offensive line dominated the ______"? We should invest resources heavily and intelligently into the OL.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sick of hearing this....



Even if it isn't with a first round tackle, I want the team to put a lot of focus and resources in building the offensive line and not "chance it" with just low round picks.

Didn't we use to say the same thing about Bugle? "Oh he can coach anyone up."

I want for the team to draft at least a 2nd round tackle, to do their homework on the limited talent in free agency, and have a plan to address the offensive line, and not just hope that a whole bunch of mid to low rounders just work out.

You know it seems that I and several others have repeatedly advocated taking a QB in the 1st (I lean toward Bradford-slightly, SS33 leans toward Clausen-by a large margin) and addressing the OL with our 2nd round pick and beyond...yet all that seems to get through is "Take a QB!!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know it seems that I and several others have repeatedly advocated taking a QB in the 1st (I lean toward Bradford-slightly, SS33 leans toward Clausen-by a large margin) and addressing the OL with our 2nd round pick and beyond...yet all that seems to get through is "Take a QB!!

So since you want to ignore the O-Line what are we going to do with your pretty boy Bradford?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

So since you want to ignore the O-Line what are we going to do with your pretty boy Bradford?

I'm not sure if you're joking here or my sarcasm detector is off, so forgive me if it's either of these two but.....

I think SS mentioned "addressing the OL with our 2nd round pick and beyond" would be the answer of what we're going to do. You're simply re-inforcing SS's point, all you got from his post was "Take a QB".

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm not sure if you're joking here or my sarcasm detector is off, so forgive me if it's either of these two but.....

I think SS mentioned "addressing the OL with our 2nd round pick and beyond" would be the answer of what we're going to do. You're simply re-inforcing SS's point, all you got from his post was "Take a QB".

We should rent a bus ad to get that point acrossed

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by slingin sammy 33

i'm not sure if you're joking here or my sarcasm detector is off, so forgive me if it's either of these two but.....

I think ss mentioned "addressing the ol with our 2nd round pick and beyond" would be the answer of what we're going to do. you're simply re-inforcing ss's point, all you got from his post was "take a qb".

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

So since you want to ignore the O-Line what are we going to do with your pretty boy Bradford?

I'm not concerned...not with Jake Plummer ready to go!

[NYCskinfan82]

I to stand by whatever the FO does but i would feel better if they traded back and went OL, OL, OL & you fill in the rest. But like i said whatever they do i will support with a grain of salt.

[MTK]

4-7 seconds to throw is an eternity in this league. Having that much time is pretty rare. Most QBs have 3 seconds at the most. You might want to check your stop watch there SBXVII.

[Chico23231]

Its funny reading all the speculation of who we will pick or if we trade etc. Its exciting and fun. But one thing I have noticed is:

Where has all that JC love gone??? and now hearing the arguement of general importance of the QB position...and yet we fo sho have the worst O line in the NFL...

Im just finally happy we have great people making these personel decisions.

[doughtydoubter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its funny reading all the speculation of who we will pick or if we trade etc. Its exciting and fun. But one thing I have noticed is:

Where has all that JC love gone??? and now hearing the arguement of general importance of the QB position...and yet we fo sho have the worst O line in the NFL...

Im just finally happy we have great people making these personel decisions.

I dont know if all the love is gone, as it is that more and more people are being swayed by the idea that this might be the ideal time to grab a qb for the future.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

I dont know if all the love is gone, as it is that more and more people are being swayed by the idea that this might be the ideal time to grab a qb for the future.

You might be right. To me it seems easier and happens more often that you can pick up an OL any where in the draft and with good coaching and scheme they will do fine starting. QB's are a different issue. I know people will throw up the stats again in regards to all the big starters and when they were drafted but to me those are diamonds in the rough and the team got lucky. I just don't see the Skins being able to pick up someone like that mid to late in the draft. JC has done well but he's not great. Brennan has been injured too much but a lot of you feel he's just camp fodder getting lucky. Daniels last year, I liked him and bet he turns out pretty good with the Saints. But none are Franchise QB's. Remember Ramsey? LOL.

I just feel if a Franchise QB is needed (which we don't have) and you have a high draft pick and the pickings are slim then QB is a no brainer. Then I'm throwing in the fact that in almost everytime a team picks a new HC a QB is drafted who the HC thinks will be able to work his system. So I'm not just saying it cause I want it I'm saying it cause it almost always happens so expect Shanahan to do it. If he doesn't then I'm fine with it. But I'll say next year we won't have as high of a pick so don't expect to get one of the top tier QB's next year either. Expect more of the extremely coached up variety of QB. Then there's what do we do if we don't draft a QB this year and next year JC say goodbye? who takes over? a Rookie?