Haynesworth trade possibly in the works

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

They may not care how much he gets paid, but to assert that a 21M payout has no effect on their business decisions seems to be carrying their nonchalance to an extreme.

No, they don't have a vested interest in retaining AH as they aren't the ones who made the financial commitment to him. HOWEVER, it seemed to me that the reports from Schefter and such were that the Skins were shopping him at a bit of discount to avoid the 21M. It seems to me the only actual hard report of the Skins "shopping" AH came before the bonus payout. After the bonus payment, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a single solid report that the Skins have called any one and said - "Hey- will you give us an ____ rounder for AH". Rather, just some odd speculation that he's still available stemming from the Philly offer and AH's dissatisfaction with playng in a 3-4.

That's the point of CRedskins' analogy. We'll trade him for the right offer - but the right offer now is different then the one that would have saved us 21 Million.

of course its different. before, we would have had to trade him at a discount, since the team receiving him would have had to pay him an absurd amount of money. now, we can trade him for more, since teams will not have to pay him the 21MM and he'll be extremely affordable for the next 3 years. A cheap team like Tampa or Detroit will most certainly be more interested in him now. Regardless, none of that changes the fact that Shanahan doesnt really want him on the team. If he did, he never would have been shopped in the first place. (the financial side of things works both ways. its a small part of the equation).

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

of course its different. before, we would have had to trade him at a discount, since the team receiving him would have had to pay him an absurd amount of money. now, we can trade him for more, since teams will not have to pay him the 21MM and he'll be extremely affordable for the next 3 years. A cheap team like Tampa or Detroit will most certainly be more interested in him now. Regardless, none of that changes the fact that Shanahan doesnt really want him on the team. If he did, he never would have been shopped in the first place. (the financial side of things works both ways. its a small part of the equation).

At this point, I am not sure how we disagree. Before bonus, willing to trade at a discount. After bonus, no discount. Both before and after bonus, Shanahan not a big fan of AH and is willing to get rid of him for the right price. Also, before and after bonus, not gonna just give one of the most, if not the most, talented DL player in the league away.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

At this point, I am not sure how we disagree. Before bonus, willing to trade at a discount. After bonus, no discount. Both before and after bonus, Shanahan not a big fan of AH and is willing to get rid of him for the right price. Also, before and after bonus, not gonna just give one of the most, if not the most, talented DL player in the league away.

well then i dont know where we truly disagree unless its just in terms of what it'll actually take for us to trade haynesworth. but i'd be shocked if he's on the roster 10 days from now. shanahan wants him gone. ultimately, i'd say if can we get a pick at the top of the 2nd round in 2010 or a 1st rounder in 2011, he's gone.

[diehardskin2982]

I hope we don't trade him this season.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I hope we don't trade him this season.

Amen to that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

LOL, i'm off today. i spelled smoot's name incorrectly and i dont think he appreciated it.

[12thMan]

Whoa, so let me get this straight. Our coaching staff should stay with the 4-3 to accommodate one guy who's getting attitudinal by the minute? If he can't get on board at any costs --literally and figuratively-- I don't want him on this team. I really don't see what's so hard to see about that. Shanny doesn't like the guy and I'm sure, at this point, the feeling is mutual. If the right deal comes along, let's just cut ties and keep it moving.

Over the past several seasons, the Redskins have had stellar defenses with less talent playing at the DT position. So I'm not buying the hype we should shuffle the deck to keep one guy happy. If Haynesworth wants to be happy, ship his tired ass back to Tennessee. Seriously. I'm really getting sick of this whole story.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Whoa, so let me get this straight. Our coaching staff should stay with the 4-3 to accommodate one guy who's getting attitudinal by the minute? If he can't get on board at any costs --literally and figuratively-- I don't want him on this team. I really don't see what's so hard to see about that. Shanny doesn't like the guy and I'm sure, at this point, the feeling is mutual. If the right deal comes along, let's just cut ties and keep it moving.

Over the past several seasons, the Redskins have had stellar defenses with less talent playing at the DT position. So I'm not buying the hype we should shuffle the deck to keep one guy happy. If Haynesworth wants to be happy, ship his tired ass back to Tennessee. Seriously. I'm really getting sick of this whole story.

it's not just about AH

it's about our DEs, LBs, lack of NT, etc

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

it's not just about AH

it's about our DEs, LBs, lack of NT, etc

We have all of the D-line components to be successful. Part of the reason teams like the 3-4 aside from the advantages of the scheme itself are two fold. First the 3-4 on average is cheaper since you have less D-Lineman who these days are usually paid a premium (case in point "Fatal Bert" lol) and linebackers from a cost perspective are usually a dime a dozens, at least the ones that don't go after the passer. The D-Lineman themselves are easier to find because you don't need them to be ultra successful pass rushers, rather you're looking for 3 guys that can play hard and usually control gaps.

Sure our D-Line wont' be close to the Pat's with Warren and Wilfork without Haynesworth but thats something we can deal with. Also I came up with an interesting comparison for finding 3-4 players using the O-Line. The D-Lineman are equivalent to finding interior lineman (Guards and Centers), the ILB's are as important as RT's, and the LT of the 3-4 is most likely the OLB, especially one capable of rushing the passer.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

it's not just about AH

it's about our DEs, LBs, lack of NT, etc

I have been saying this for a little while now. LBs are the lifeblood of a 3-4 and I think we are extremely deficient there. Now Rocky is out the door? Who the hell is covering a tight end for us at the LB spot? Orakpo can do it well enough but that is wasting his talent.

We need A. Thomas and probably a couple more quality LBs if we really think we can run the 3-4 and be as good as our 4-3 was last year.

[joethiesmanfan]

Trading to the Eagles would have been crazy. Trading him if Shanny wants to is cool, but not for a QB, and not when we would have to face him twice a year. He would have killed McNabb, literally.

[MTK]

It's really crazy to me that someone would support AH over MS.

Allen and Shanahan were brought in for a reason, the old way of doing things wasn't working. A new regime needs to do things their way. Just look at the changes made in Denver, first Cutler was shipped out and now Marshall. As great as those guys were for that team in the past, they were simply not a fit for their new direction.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's really crazy to me that someone would support AH over MS.

Allen and Shanahan were brought in for a reason, the old way of doing things wasn't working. A new regime needs to do things their way. Just look at the changes made in Denver, first Cutler was shipped out and now Marshall. As great as those guys were for that team in the past, they were simply not a fit for their new direction.

Why did it ever get to this point? Portis has been much more of a malcontent as a Redskin than Haynesworth, but Shanahan did not pick on Portis as he has with Haynesworth. Deciding to workout on his own or voicing his opinion that he would rather not play in a 3-4, but will if asked.....is that worth turning a player into public enemy #1? I really have a problem with coaches that feel they have to publicly make a player out to be the bad guy. Keep it behind closed doors like Patriots do, not in the media.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Why did it ever get to this point? Portis has been much more of a malcontent as a Redskin than Haynesworth, but Shanahan did not pick on Portis as he has with Haynesworth. Deciding to workout on his own or voicing his opinion that he would rather not play in a 3-4, but will if asked.....is that worth turingin a player in public enemy #1?

I don't think it's anything personal, I would guess that even before this offseason workout stuff came up AH was identified as a player to be moved this offseason.

I haven't heard a peep outta Portis lately, have u? He seems to be playing the good soldier routine just fine. Regardless, CP fits in to our plans, AH doesn't.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it's anything personal, I would guess that even before this offseason workout stuff came up AH was identified as a player to be moved this offseason.

I haven't heard a peep outta Portis lately, have u? He seems to be playing the good soldier routine just fine. Regardless, CP fits in to our plans, AH doesn't.

In your opinion.
We hear all this big talk about how Shanahan wants to change the culture and piss poor attitude of the players. How is keeping Portis who has a history of being the #1 selfish asshole on our team changing the culture?
Plus Portis has durability issues and possible concussion problems that he has not tested yet, not to mention his huge $10M a year cost. If our front office really thinks Portis fits into our future plans I disagree with them. Portis gives up ans stops running hard when things do not go well.