For JTF's Reading Pleasure: "What is the Tea Party"

[MTK]

^ You do realize the tape was doctored, right?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

^ You do realize the tape was doctored, right?

Not sure if the film was doctored but to be fair I should know the context of what she said before judging her. I don't have time to listen to her entire speech so I'll retract calling her a racist and leave it at that. I have not followed the story on Fox or any other news source and passed my judgment off a 30 second clip and should not pass judgment until I know the facts. I don't want to do what I accuse others of doing all the time.

[dmek25]

all this huff and puff about a movement that will be long gone come 2012

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by dmek25

all this huff and puff about a movement that will be long gone come 2012

You're right. Once the Democrats are back out of office, the Tea Party movement will likely quiet down.

National (US) Poll * July 21, 2010 * Obama Approval Drops To Lowest - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by dmek25

all this huff and puff about a movement that will be long gone come 2012

Like your job?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not sure if the film was doctored but to be fair I should know the context of what she said before judging her. I don't have time to listen to her entire speech so I'll retract calling her a racist and leave it at that. I have not followed the story on Fox or any other news source and passed my judgment off a 30 second clip and should not pass judgment until I know the facts. I don't want to do what I accuse others of doing all the time.

Yes the clip that started all if this was edited to the point where the context was completely lost. If you watch or just read about what her entire speech was about it's quite obvious she is not a racist.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes the clip that started all if this was edited to the point where the context was completely lost. If you watch or just read about what her entire speech was about it's quite obvious she is not a racist.

I will not go as far to say she is not a racist because I think the way she expressed what she was saying had a racist sound. I'm not sure there is anything wrong with that back when she said that and knowing her father was kill by a few white men. Is she a racist today I don't know and not sure how you can say its quite obvious she is not a racist when you don't really know any thing about her.

[GMScud]

Regardless Obama and Co has fumbled yet again. First they "fully support" her losing her job, then they decide to have another look at the issue, and now they may call for her reinstatement (presser forthcoming in the next few minutes)??

Shouldn't they have maybe waited for all the facts to come in?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Regardless Obama and Co has fumbled yet again. First they "fully support" her losing her job, then they decide to have another look at the issue, and now they may call for her reinstatement (presser forthcoming in the next few minutes)??

Shouldn't they have maybe waited for all the facts to come in?

Everyday with them is "Amateur Hour".

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Everyday with them is "Amateur Hour".

Rumor has it that even if they called for her reinstatement, she may not want the job back. That would be classic. She is fully maintaining that a phone call from the White House forced her out of her job. Apparently she was on the road, and got a call on her cell saying she may have to resign. Then a few minutes later her phone rang again, and it was a USDA higher-up telling her to pull the car over and resign immediately. Huh.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Shouldn't they have maybe waited for all the facts to come in?

Regardless of the outcome this reigns supreme right now. It's obvious that I lean to the left and not to discredit Obama because he had decent experience but at the same time he was a bit of a made for TV candidate. Once the administration settles in that has to leave.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Regardless of the outcome this reigns supreme right now. It's obvious that I lean to the left and not to discredit Obama because he had decent experience but at the same time he was a bit of a made for TV candidate. Once the administration settles in that has to leave.

They are close to halfway through his first term, two years in which Obama has enjoyed a dominant majority in Congress. That won't be the case come November. So at what point are they "settled in?"

His mortgage plan is failing, his race relations are poor, many think he has mishandled Afghanistan, spending/debt/deficits are gigantic, he put jobs on the backburner while pushing healthcare, and he is hearing desperate pleas from House Dems to campaign for them with November looming.

So let me ask you, what constitutes "settling in?"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I will not go as far to say she is not a racist because I think the way she expressed what she was saying had a racist sound. I'm not sure there is anything wrong with that back when she said that and knowing her father was kill by a few white men. Is she a racist today I don't know and not sure how you can say its quite obvious she is not a racist when you don't really know any thing about her.

Have you watched the entire clip or at least read about it?

I'm guessing no.

Here's the deal. She was telling a story of how she was faced with helping a white farmer save his farm. She struggled with this as she couldn't help but think of how many black farmers had lost their farms and here she is having to help a white person with the same issue. At that time she felt that whites had advantages over blacks and were treated better. But having worked with the white farmer she came to realize that the problem was bigger than black vs white and it was an experience that helped her grow as a person. I'm pretty confident she's not a racist.

Former Agriculture Department Official Denies Racism, Is Backed By Fuller Video; Secretary Vilsack Stands By Her Firing* - Political Punch

[CRedskinsRule]

One reason the defense industry will not be truly downsized is that the politicians don't want to have a flood of ex military running around. The police not so much, because they don't know how to operate the equipment that could really make the government scared, but we will never see true military cuts, and one day the US Caesar will find a message that resonates with the disenfranchised. but not this year.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One reason the defense industry will not be truly downsized is that the politicians don't want to have a flood of ex military running around. The police not so much, because they don't know how to operate the equipment that could really make the government scared, but we will never see true military cuts, and one day the US Caesar will find a message that resonates with the disenfranchised. but not this year.

The military is no longer the military. They have been enmeshed with other industries and the CIA. Nor is the responsibilty of the military in its hands solely. Private contractors don't answer to the public. If there were no contractors we would've had a draft for Iraq. The government follows the law only when it's profitable to someone connected to it. Look at how Goldman was held up while Lehman went down in flames. They've nationalized the little guys because the big boys -who control them- told them to do so. They're just warming up. If you thought Jorge Bush was bad, wait until President Hussein enters his lame duck period.

In a way you and Saden are right, but to admit that would mean that the majority of the American public is a bunch of idiotic jerks. I still have hope that isn't the case. The Tea Party movement gives me hope that this isn't the case by a long shot. Partisan hacks may believe that the Tea Party is all about Obama and the fact that Republicans are out of power. The Tea Party is about the fact that neither party represent them. In our eyes, this government is illegitimate through its own illegal actions.