Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

NLC1054 · 06-30-2011, 02:47 PM

The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character.

It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas.

Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better.

Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him.

There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position.

MTK · 06-30-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NLC1054

The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character.

It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas.

Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better.

Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him.

There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position.

That will probably be the explanation too.

I think Cris Carter has gotten robbed, and of course we know that Monk did too. So I won't be shocked if T.O. gets the snub for a year or two.

Leader In Sports · 06-30-2011, 03:10 PM

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That will probably be the explanation too.

I think Cris Carter has gotten robbed, and of course we know that Monk did too. So I won't be shocked if T.O. gets the snub for a year or two.

They also look a lot at post season production. What has TO done there? I don't feel like digging, but he only had success early with the 49ers and then the Eagles. I remember he played injured in the Super Bowl loss. Did he get injured in the playoffs or the regular season that year?

Overall, I don't think he has a lot to stand on for the post season (again, an impression without looking it up).

MTK · 06-30-2011, 03:40 PM

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They also look a lot at post season production. What has TO done there? I don't feel like digging, but he only had success early with the 49ers and then the Eagles. I remember he played injured in the Super Bowl loss. Did he get injured in the playoffs or the regular season that year?

Overall, I don't think he has a lot to stand on for the post season (again, an impression without looking it up).

Well, for starters he had "the catch" - 49ers vs. the Pack in '98.

And in the Super Bowl against the Patriots he had 9-122 on an ankle he broke about a month before.

He had some big playoff moments.

Leader In Sports · 06-30-2011, 03:56 PM

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Well, for starters he had "the catch" - 49ers vs. the Pack in '98.

And in the Super Bowl against the Patriots he had 9-122 on an ankle he broke about a month before.

He had some big playoff moments.

I don't think those 2 will get him in the HOF. I am willing to put money he won't be first ballot and am not 100% about him getting in.

Do you see Steve McNair in the HOF? He was a co-MVP one year. I would put McNair over T.O. any day.

What about Roman Gabriel? He was the NFL MVP and Comeback Player of the Year. We could go on - Randall Cunningham, Terrell Davis, Roger Craig, Phil Simms, etc, etc.

There are lots of guys that are very good. T.O. was/is a great individual player, but I don't see him contributing to a team. After all, football is a team sport.

SmootSmack · 06-30-2011, 03:19 PM

Love Monk. But there were years you could have legitimately made the argument-with guys like Charlie Brown and Gary Clark-that Monk wasn't even the best WR on his team. In his prime, you never doubted that with Jerry Rice.

Leader In Sports · 06-30-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Love Monk. But there were years you could have legitimately made the argument-with guys like Charlie Brown and Gary Clark-that Monk wasn't even the best WR on his team. In his prime, you never doubted that with Jerry Rice.

One of my friends who played with the skins in that era always has said that Downtown Charlie Brown had the talent, ability & drive to have the career Monk had. He says it had a lot to do with the politics of teams. The qualifier of this is the guy also LOVES Monk and was in no way disrespecting him.

freddyg12 · 06-30-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Love Monk. But there were years you could have legitimately made the argument-with guys like Charlie Brown and Gary Clark-that Monk wasn't even the best WR on his team. In his prime, you never doubted that with Jerry Rice.

Smootsmack channeling Peter King! King said that when he covered those great 80s giants teams, the players said they weren't afraid of Monk, but they were of Clark cause he made big plays.

dmek25 · 06-30-2011, 03:59 PM

i cant believe the most posts i have had in over 2 years, and its defending TO

dmek25 · 06-30-2011, 05:52 PM

However, there has been one unhappy side effect: Rice has felt threatened by the presence of Owens and Stokes. Though he's tied for the lead in the NFC with 69 receptions, Rice has twice complained about not getting enough balls thrown his way. Most recently, after San Francisco's 31-20 victory over the New Orleans Saints on Nov. 22 (the 49ers were sparked by a pair of Owens touchdown catches), Rice suggested he might retire because of his frustration with his role.

NLC1054 · 06-30-2011, 06:29 PM

Dude, McNabb had his best season EVER with T.O. It's not even close.

3,875 yards is the second most for McNabb. 64% completion percentage is a career high. 31 touchdowns, eight interceptions and his highest ever quarterback rating period. Yeah, they went to a bunch of NFC Championship games without T.O, but T.O helped them get over the hump without a doubt.

Leader In Sports · 06-30-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NLC1054

Dude, McNabb had his best season EVER with T.O. It's not even close.

3,875 yards is the second most for McNabb. 64% completion percentage is a career high. 31 touchdowns, eight interceptions and his highest ever quarterback rating period. Yeah, they went to a bunch of NFC Championship games without T.O, but T.O helped them get over the hump without a doubt.

OK, you are talking numbers - I am talking success. They went to how many NFC Championship games before T.O. got there? Terrell did not make his teams significantly better. Look at the Eagles before he got there, and while he was there. Look at the Cowboys before he got there, and after he was there. Should we even mention Buffalo? If he was THAT good, teams would do what they had to to keep him. Dude is a cancer.

Oh yea, he did not help them "get over the hump". The hump results in a Lombardi trophy, which the Eagles still don't have.

T.O. is clearly not a first ballot HOFer. He had the talent, but not the mentality.

Dirtbag59 · 06-30-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NLC1054

Dude, McNabb had his best season EVER with T.O. It's not even close.

3,875 yards is the second most for McNabb. 64% completion percentage is a career high. 31 touchdowns, eight interceptions and his highest ever quarterback rating period. Yeah, they went to a bunch of NFC Championship games without T.O, but T.O helped them get over the hump without a doubt.

Numbers may be overrated by McNabb was accurate with T.O. That should say something

Monkeydad · 07-01-2011, 09:06 AM

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Numbers may be overrated by McNabb was accurate with T.O. That should say something

Considering Owens routinely led the league in DROPS, this does speak well of McNabb and is famous "inaccuracy".

GTripp0012 · 06-30-2011, 06:48 PM

I think there are four hall of fame receivers from the current era: Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, and Derrick Mason.

Carter, and hopefully Tim Brown, need to go into Canton in the next two years before Harrison is eligible and then Owens and Moss shortly thereafter.

06-30-2011, 02:47 PM	#1
NLC1054 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 279	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? The fact is, the Hall of Fame...it's a weird place. The voting is weird. Nothing about the Hall of Fame makes sense. There seems to be a lot of pettiness amongst the members of the media who vote. One guy on NFL Network's Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame, one guy straight up said that Kenny Stabler will NEVER get his vote to be in the Hall of Fame based solely on character. It's very nitpicky and full of grudges and personal vendettas. Shoud T.O be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Sure, if you look at the numbers, which is what's really supposed to matter. He's one of the best wide receivers ever from that standpoint. Character crap aside, T.O always shows up ready to play, and he always seems to make the quarterbacks who throw to him better. Will he be? Depends on whether the press either loves his antics because they gave them material or hates him. There's so many wide receivers that should be in the Hall though, he might not make it in just because of the log jam at the position.

06-30-2011, 03:19 PM	#6
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Love Monk. But there were years you could have legitimately made the argument-with guys like Charlie Brown and Gary Clark-that Monk wasn't even the best WR on his team. In his prime, you never doubted that with Jerry Rice. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? i cant believe the most posts i have had in over 2 years, and its defending TO __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

06-30-2011, 05:52 PM	#10
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? However, there has been one unhappy side effect: Rice has felt threatened by the presence of Owens and Stokes. Though he's tied for the lead in the NFC with 69 receptions, Rice has twice complained about not getting enough balls thrown his way. Most recently, after San Francisco's 31-20 victory over the New Orleans Saints on Nov. 22 (the 49ers were sparked by a pair of Owens touchdown catches), Rice suggested he might retire because of his frustration with his role. __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

06-30-2011, 06:29 PM	#11
NLC1054 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 279	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Dude, McNabb had his best season EVER with T.O. It's not even close. 3,875 yards is the second most for McNabb. 64% completion percentage is a career high. 31 touchdowns, eight interceptions and his highest ever quarterback rating period. Yeah, they went to a bunch of NFC Championship games without T.O, but T.O helped them get over the hump without a doubt.

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? I think there are four hall of fame receivers from the current era: Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, and Derrick Mason. Carter, and hopefully Tim Brown, need to go into Canton in the next two years before Harrison is eligible and then Owens and Moss shortly thereafter. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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