Week 6 Washington Redskins vs Minnesota Vikings Pregame Thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Could you imagine Shanahan having to explain that while RG3 was closely monitored all week by an independent neurologist, and despite the fact he passed all the independent testing, that he was going to go ahead and overrule the Dr.'s educated and informed opinion and keep him on the bench anyway?

Lunacy.

I can imagine the response would be something like

"Another sign of arrogance on the part of Mike Shanahan. Doctors, who trained to do this, cleared RG3 to play. But because Shanahan's trying to prove that he can coach anyone (John Beck anyone? smh) and still win he sat RG3 down. Typical Mike Shanahan thinking of only what makes him look good."

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I can imagine the response would be something like

"Another sign of arrogance on the part of Mike Shanahan. Doctors, who trained to do this, cleared RG3 to play. But because Shanahan's trying to prove that he can coach anyone (John Beck anyone? smh) and still win he sat RG3 down. Typical Mike Shanahan thinking of only what makes him look good."

That literally made me laugh out load SS.

and sadly we all know this to be true.....

[punch it in]

Im not a doctor and am ecstatic that RG-3 is playing this week(for obviously completely greedy reasons having to do with the redskins and my fantasy team). I understand the doctors cleared him to play, but that does not mean that it is ultimately the best thing for the athlete. There are plenty of studies done that show returning to soon can create problems down the road even after all of the follow up tests are done, passed, etc. I mean some of you guys are making it seem like nothing happened. The concussion that he suffered still puts him in a more vulnerable spot than someone who did not suffer one last week. It is not complete idiocy to think that sitting RG-3 for another week is at least a viable option.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I understand the doctors cleared him to play, but that does not mean that it is ultimately the best thing for the athlete.

Ultimately, the best thing for a athlete is to never play a contact sport like football. If you feel so strong about it, stop watching football.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ultimately, the best thing for a athlete is to never play a contact sport like football. If you feel so strong about it, stop watching football.

Wow -that sounds like some good ole ES stuff rite there.
Classic - never watch football - close the thread??? lol
All im saying is I am sure there was some thought about playing/not playing him this week as well there should be.
To dismiss the fact that he suffered a concussion because he is not as fast as a race car is crazy and over the top.

I never said I feel so strongly about anything Im just making some points. Did I say I dont think he should play? No. I said it is not an idiotic thought like you guys are making it out to be.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Wow -that sounds like some good ole ES stuff rite there.
Classic - never watch football - close the thread??? lol
All im saying is I am sure there was some thought about playing/not playing him this week as well there should be.
To dismiss the fact that he suffered a concussion because he is not as fast as a race car is crazy and over the top.

I never said I feel so strongly about anything Im just making some points. Did I say I dont think he should play? No. I said it is not an idiotic thought like you guys are making it out to be.

I don't think ANYBODY is dismissing anything in regards to RGIII's discussion. However, relating a concussion from a driver who is accelerating over 100mph and slamming into other solid objects to a QB getting hit by another player is comparing apples to oranges.

What we are saying is, LET THE INDEPENDENT DOCTORS decide. Keeping him out a "extra" week isn't going to do jack shit if he's cleared to play this week. If his concussion was mild or minor, I see no problems if he passes the tests and some qualified expert clears him. So if they don't have a problem with it, why should you?

That bit about feeling strongly about it then stop watching football didn't translate as well as I wanted so disregard that part.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think ANYBODY is dismissing anything in regards to RGIII's discussion. However, relating a concussion from a driver who is accelerating over 100mph and slamming into other solid objects to a QB getting hit by another player is comparing apples to oranges.

What we are saying is, LET THE INDEPENDENT DOCTORS decide. Keeping him out a "extra" week isn't going to do jack shit if he's cleared to play this week. If his concussion was mild or minor, I see no problems if he passes the tests and some qualified expert clears him. So if they don't have a problem with it, why should you?

That bit about feeling strongly about it then stop watching football didn't translate as well as I wanted so disregard that part.

From the research I could find thats not true,if you can find research different please post it.From what Ive found football players hit by a hard tackle face the same g's as a race car driver in a crash.Of course every crash and or tackle would be different,but they are in the same ballpark.

"According to a Virginia Tech study, a tackle like Trufant's probably caused Lewis's head to accelerate in his helmet at 30 to 60 g's. VT researchers gather data with the Head Impact Telemetry System, which employs sensors and wireless transmitters in helmets. "We see 100-g impacts all the time," says Stefan Duma, director of the university's Center for Injury Biomechanics, "and several over 150 g's."

Read more: Football Physics: The Anatomy of a Hit - Popular Mechanics
Football Physics: The Anatomy of a Hit - Popular Mechanics

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im not a doctor and am ecstatic that RG-3 is playing this week(for obviously completely greedy reasons having to do with the redskins and my fantasy team). I understand the doctors cleared him to play, but that does not mean that it is ultimately the best thing for the athlete. There are plenty of studies done that show returning to soon can create problems down the road even after all of the follow up tests are done, passed, etc. I mean some of you guys are making it seem like nothing happened. The concussion that he suffered still puts him in a more vulnerable spot than someone who did not suffer one last week. It is not complete idiocy to think that sitting RG-3 for another week is at least a viable option.

I get that, but how long do you sit him out? What does sitting him out a week do? If you don't play him until the Giants game on the 21st and he gets a concussion then, would it be any better than playing him this weekend and he doesn't get one?

[MTK]

At this point a concussion would be less painful than this thread.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

At this point a concussion would be less painful than this thread.

so, how 'bout that adrian peterson?

[los panda]

i understand the better safe than sorry approach. with a brain injury, i get that point of view - like if we can't confirm on thursday that he will be ready to go on sunday, better sit him, give him some more time, and error on the side of caution.

but, that being said, griff is a smart man, i trust his trust in the examining doctors.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I get that, but how long do you sit him out? What does sitting him out a week do? If you don't play him until the Giants game on the 21st and he gets a concussion then, would it be any better than playing him this weekend and he doesn't get one?

There is no rite answer to that. Its a judgement call. Again im not saying i would be for the cautious (which is not another word for stupid) and not play him but sure a week cant hurt. Yea i think the quicker the time frame between concussions absolutely definitely the worse.

edit: - he might not get one this week is obvious, but he is at more of a risk, where is in two weeks after more healing of the brain he would be closer to if not fully to where he was before this ever happened. It is not that complicated that I need to be a neurologist - brain, ankle, shoulder - whatever the body part, obviously the more time it has to heal the more back to normal and the more out of risk said body part will be vulnerable to another injury.

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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

There is no rite answer to that. Its a judgement call. Again im not saying i would be for the cautious (which is not another word for stupid) and not play him but sure a week cant hurt. Yea i think the quicker the time frame between concussions absolutely definitely the worse.

edit: - he might not get one this week is obvious, but he is at more of a risk, where is in two weeks after more healing of the brain he would be closer to if not fully to where he was before this ever happened. It is not that complicated that I need to be a neurologist - brain, ankle, shoulder - whatever the body part, obviously the more time it has to heal the more back to normal and the more out of risk said body part will be vulnerable to another injury.

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Yeah but he's at more of a risk playing in two weeks, vs three; three weeks vs four, etc.

Anyway, he was fine in practice today so he'll probably play on Sunday. I'm actually more interested in seeing if they make Rex the #2 QB this weekend. Though I suspect they'll stick with Cousins

[los panda]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah but he's at more of a risk playing in two weeks, vs three; three weeks vs four, etc.

Anyway, he was fine in practice today so he'll probably play on Sunday. I'm actually more interested in seeing if they make Rex the #2 QB this weekend. Though I suspect they'll stick with Cousins

i say roll w cousins. the more time he spends on the field, the more he can improve. the more time rex spends on the field, well, we know how that goes.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by los panda

i say roll w cousins. the more time he spends on the field, the more he can improve. the more time rex spends on the field, well, we know how that goes.

Build up Cousins' trade value?