RG3 and Gruden?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So you're going to back your rookie coach who wants to sit the player that you hired him to develop after that player plays less than half a season - and do it without even looking more closely into the matter? P-u-l-e-e-e-z-e!

Gruden: "I'm gonna bench RGIII."

skinsfan69: "OK. Thanks for letting me know. Have a nice day!"

Yeah, like that would almost happen.

haha, it may not quite go like that but there really is no need for an owner to be watching film. Gruden is the person that's MOST qualified over at Redskins Park to make decisions on the QB. Not Dan Snyder. This is all about Snyder's ego.

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That is exactly what many people said on several occasions right before Snyder hired a big-name coach.

He has hired one, Mike... Mike was also given complete player control... Worked out well...

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

He has hired one, Mike... Mike was also given complete player control... Worked out well...

Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

[Fiversons]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

Gibbs doesn't count, the others were before people realized he sucks as an owner... Look, I don't really care, but if you think highly sought after coaches have Washington pegged as one of their top choices, then you don't live on planet earth...

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Fiversons

He has hired one, Mike... Mike was also given complete player control... Worked out well...

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs.

Yeah, Shanahan might have been the anomaly, in being allowed to keep control as long as he was here.

Schottenheimer - perfect example of Snyder's meddling. Snyder fired him after only one season, specifically for not giving up total control of the team. Schotty had a win streak to end the season, with JAG (Tony Banks?) at QB.

Spurrier - Just told Cerrato, "get me players". Was totally fine with getting Matthews or Woeful(sp?) because they were "cheap and available". Spurrier may not even have been aware when one player was cut. LINK

Gibbs - Was said to have been given complete control. And it's hard to imagine Snyder, reportedly an avid Skins fan, ever challenging the only coach to bring us SB rings. Yet there's quotes like these floating out there:

Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”

A former member of the Redskins’ personnel department said Snyder’s involvement with the football operation typically outmatches his football expertise.“He can’t ever get it right because he wants to be involved in it all,” he said. “He wants to have input in everything.”

Except this is what Gibbs said at the time. Like, from April, 2007:

“The three of us [Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato] normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft....Dan’s philosophy is to be aggressive. We fall in the category of being more aggressive and it’s based on Dan being as aggressive as he is.”

Or this, from September, 2006:

“We talk a lot. We are back and forth all the time. We work down the hall from one another. I count on his opinion. He’s very instrumental on the draft, the salary-cap, free agency, strategy on how the team should be built.”

Or this from the Virginian-Pilot in April, 2007, about draft prep:

The highest-rated players are brought in for meetings with owner Dan Snyder, Gibbs and other organization members. A meal is arranged as a final effort to find any nugget of new information....Snyder, Gibbs and Cerrato also will meet during this period to review how well certain prospects might fit in the organization.

Or this, from the AP in 2007:

Gibbs is holding several days of talks with owner Dan Snyder about the direction of the team. The coach said he’s “willing to talk about anything,” but he called “incorrect” any assumptions that he was open to hiring a general manager or that he would change the team’s aggressive approach in making offseason moves.

Or this from the Washington Times in 2007, which reported that Snyder had attended two draft workouts, including that of Calvin Johnson:

“[Johnson’s workout] was really impressive,” Snyder said. “We’ve had dinner with 25 of the first-round picks, and we tried to cover as much ground as we could in a limited amount of time.”

So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the team’s free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts.

Got it.

I think the last stuff, is stuff that Shanahan complained about Snyder doing with RG3 and RG2, isn't it?

I would appreciate ppl like Smootsmack and Matty telling me where this stuff and the stuff I'm saying about it is wrong or exaggerated. If they disagree with me, I'm probably wrong. Stuff can get twisted in any news media genre.

[over the mountain]

great job putting together that post hail green.

shanny was responsible for the bubble? i always gave credit to the DS for finally opening his wallet for something he cant charge others for ...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

haha, it may not quite go like that but there really is no need for an owner to be watching film. Gruden is the person that's MOST qualified over at Redskins Park to make decisions on the QB. Not Dan Snyder. This is all about Snyder's ego.

I'm sure it also has to do with the ton of money the team is invested in RG3.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

haha, it may not quite go like that but there really is no need for an owner to be watching film. Gruden is the person that's MOST qualified over at Redskins Park to make decisions on the QB. Not Dan Snyder. This is all about Snyder's ego.

People say Snyder is not a football person, but he has been an owner of the Redskins since 1999. I'm sure he has learned how to look at film and understand what he looking at. 15 years is a career in other businesses.

[mredskins]

I think Snyder first wants to make money. Wins don't necessarily equate to more dollars.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I think Snyder first wants to make money. Wins don't necessarily equate to more dollars.

Eh?

Wins put butts in seats, home playoff games are big revenue. Wins are the ultimate money maker in this league.

Snyder doesn't need to spend what he does. If all he cared about the was bottom line he's not doing it right.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

People say Snyder is not a football person, but he has been an owner of the Redskins since 1999. I'm sure he has learned how to look at film and understand what he looking at. 15 years is a career in other businesses.

I'd just add ultimately it's his team, his money. If he wants to sit down with his first year HC and say tell me what you're seeing in RG3 so be it. I don't see why that's so crazy.

[skinsfaninok]

Comparison between Jones and ds Is a joke. Jerry has won 3 rings and he at least has his team 500 every yr

[Rotten1980]

Snyder wants to win, it yields more $ than losing for one thing. If he loses long enough the franchise could be at risk for getting moved even.

RG shouldn't be the scapegoat for Gruden's lack of prep and focus. The whole offense has been poorly prepared and undisciplined the whole season, regardless of QB. That's on the HC, no other way to look at it.

Gruden has failed in both areas, specifically with coaching up RG, and broadly with the whole offense looking like it never saw a practice field.

I don't know how anyone is defending him at this point.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Comparison between Jones and ds Is a joke. Jerry has won 3 rings and he at least has his team 500 every yr

If you're referring to my post, I only brought up Jerry Jones as an example of an owner who truly runs his team.

Although, if you've read some recent articles/interviews about Jerry Jones, he doesn't feel those SB wins were "his" wins (crazy, I know). And the reason why he won't give up control of the team, is because he wants to win a ring "his" way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Snyder wants to win, it yields more $ than losing for one thing. If he loses long enough the franchise could be at risk for getting moved even.

RG shouldn't be the scapegoat for Gruden's lack of prep and focus. The whole offense has been poorly prepared and undisciplined the whole season, regardless of QB. That's on the HC, no other way to look at it.

Gruden has failed in both areas, specifically with coaching up RG, and broadly with the whole offense looking like it never saw a practice field.

I don't know how anyone is defending him at this point.

Funny how we didn't hear Gruden rip McCoy a new one after that shit show yesterday.