2022 Commanders off season thread part 1

mredskins · 01-12-2022, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

This is pretty hilarious

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/stat...697341957?s=20

Again look at that chart love to see Tau behind our line.

Chief X_Phackter · 01-12-2022, 06:28 PM

Scherff is gone. It is what it is.

I wouldn't dump Samuels, but I would draft a WR.

I would say Watson is not out of the question, but it does sound like his preference is Miami. I don't understand why (or believe) he will just follow Flores wherever he goes - should he get another HC gig.

Until I hear otherwise I have to believe that Rodgers and Wilson are in play. They have to be and should be. They are all long shots, and probably return to their respective teams. If they can't lure one of those three, then go after tier two (Carr, Ryan, Garrapolo, Winston) and draft a QB after Round 1.

If they do this, I'll be happy. If they aren't big players in any trade/free agent opportunity for one of the "big 3", then I'll be pretty disappointed.

First things first though, get Scary Terry under a long term deal. That would help lure a QB.

AnonEmouse · 01-12-2022, 07:06 PM

I'd accept Ryan because he'd hopefully be walking in behind a good to great OL (which they've struggled to provide him in Atlanta), and you know with the right guys to throw to he's still go t2+ years in the tank. If you can sign someone like him, then the pressure is reduced to find a franchise QB in this draft. Wait until '23. But I firmly believe Carr stays in LV, Rodgers stays in GB, Wilson stays in Seattle if Carrol is still there, and Watson probably won't talk to us (plus I agree it's not a good look for a team with our troubles employing an alleged sex offender). I think Garrapolo would be a band aid and no better than Fitz would have been; look at the offensive weapons he's had in SF and he hasn't exactly shone. I'd actually suggest Winston will stay in NO, as neither of his backups are the answer and he actually looked good before he got hurt. If he doesn't I'd consider him, but again, he's just a band aid until we can draft our guy.

rocnrik · 01-12-2022, 08:57 PM

IF Jimmy G ( or any of the others in his category)had started the season with us would we have made the playoffs ? I ask because we only missed by 2 games and had a bad start with the D.. just trying to figure out if a middle of pack QB can at least get us in the mix until we can draft the Guy..

REDSKINS4ever · 01-13-2022, 12:46 AM

We will come from this off-season with a young QB and a stud #2 WR.......possibly a few good young linemen.....the ingredients for the defense is there......I want to see Cole Holcomb and Jamin Davis switch positions......

AnonEmouse · 01-13-2022, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

It would be interesting to see the run/pass break down for the 90s NFL vs the 2020s NFL. It seems like the NFL in the 90s was still a run-first league but that could be a misconception.

It was. Rule changes have made passing easier since then.

This is 8 years old, and even then the trend was heavily towards passing over the last 20-30 years. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...in-nfl-history

Agree on the increase in importance of DL and DB's but it's also worth noting the trends in athleticism. DL in particular have been getting faster while maintaining ideal playing weights; look at Montez Sweat. Technique has generally improved too. 80's and 90's was very much about power to overcome blockers, largely to defeat the run game. Now finesse is just as, if not more important.

AnonEmouse · 01-13-2022, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rocnrik

IF Jimmy G ( or any of the others in his category)had started the season with us would we have made the playoffs ? I ask because we only missed by 2 games and had a bad start with the D.. just trying to figure out if a middle of pack QB can at least get us in the mix until we can draft the Guy..

That's what I was saying. Ryan, Jimmy G, Winston etc. would all be band aids, which is fine if they have a plan to definitely get a top QB in 2023. Ryan could definitely come in here and make us instantly competitive in the division. Not convinced on the others in that group though.

Meks · 01-13-2022, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

That's what I was saying. Ryan, Jimmy G, Winston etc. would all be band aids, which is fine if they have a plan to definitely get a top QB in 2023. Ryan could definitely come in here and make us instantly competitive in the division. Not convinced on the others in that group though.

im not sold on bringing a statue in here... as good as this OL "ranks" i've seen a hell of enough times where TH was running for his life within 2 seconds and complete protection breakdowns plenty as well. This line is a losing schreff and one injury away from being subpar as a lot of other middle of the packs lines which until they improve and show on a more consistent basis? Is what they are to me.

AnonEmouse · 01-13-2022, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

im not sold on bringing a statue in here... as good as this OL "ranks" i've seen a hell of enough times where TH was running for his life within 2 seconds and complete protection breakdowns plenty as well. This line is a losing schreff and one injury away from being subpar as a lot of other middle of the packs lines which until they improve and show on a more consistent basis? Is what they are to me.

I sort of agree, but wouldn't bringing a proven commodity here, especially Ryan, have it's own benefits? Veteran savvy in handling pressure packages, proven leader, improved capacity to attract good FA's etc. Of course we need to make it happen first, and I'd certainly spend at least one pick on an OL.

irish · 01-13-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I sort of agree, but wouldn't bringing a proven commodity here, especially Ryan, have it's own benefits? Veteran savvy in handling pressure packages, proven leader, improved capacity to attract good FA's etc. Of course we need to make it happen first, and I'd certainly spend at least one pick on an OL.

However they do it they have to get a legit QB. They just cant compete with Heinicke starting.

FrenchSkin · 01-13-2022, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

im not sold on bringing a statue in here... as good as this OL "ranks" i've seen a hell of enough times where TH was running for his life within 2 seconds and complete protection breakdowns plenty as well. This line is a losing schreff and one injury away from being subpar as a lot of other middle of the packs lines which until they improve and show on a more consistent basis? Is what they are to me.

It was like that when depleted with injuries and covid.

Leno is slow and gave up a couple of sacks because of it, but overall he does the job well (locking him is a smart move, especially given the price).

Our starting line up Leno - Flowers (big fan) - Roullier - Scherff - Cosmi was really good.

Take the right part out and put Lucas and Schweitzer (the later is really really good IMO, high quality back up to "ok with him as a starter"ish) and we were still ok.

Take Roullier out and we were still kinda ok with Larsen or Schweitzer at C.

Now take Larsen, Schweitzer and Flowers out and yes the OL started to suck ass with the only starting OL being their slow LT.
At times the line up was Leno - Charles - Ismael - banged up Scherff - Lucas...

FrenchSkin · 01-13-2022, 06:47 PM

Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28.

skinsfaninok · 01-13-2022, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28.

Definitely agree. The OL was much better than expected

sdskinsfan2001 · 01-13-2022, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28.

I 3rd this. Be nice to extend them each for 2 more years on top of their last year.

FrenchSkin · 01-13-2022, 10:44 PM

Oh, and there are trillions of quality UFA LBs, no excuse to not bring at the very least one this year...
KJ Wright (again), Hightower, Barr, Ingram, Kirksey, Minter, Alexander, Ogletree, Jamie Collins etc... Even Nick Vigil who I saw making plays for the Vikings could be signed on the cheap for quality depth/competition.

If we don't bring at least 2/3 LBs through FA and draft I will start to lose a lot of faith in this regime.

01-12-2022, 07:06 PM	#3
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 59 Posts: 2,866	Re: 2022 off season thread part 1 I'd accept Ryan because he'd hopefully be walking in behind a good to great OL (which they've struggled to provide him in Atlanta), and you know with the right guys to throw to he's still go t2+ years in the tank. If you can sign someone like him, then the pressure is reduced to find a franchise QB in this draft. Wait until '23. But I firmly believe Carr stays in LV, Rodgers stays in GB, Wilson stays in Seattle if Carrol is still there, and Watson probably won't talk to us (plus I agree it's not a good look for a team with our troubles employing an alleged sex offender). I think Garrapolo would be a band aid and no better than Fitz would have been; look at the offensive weapons he's had in SF and he hasn't exactly shone. I'd actually suggest Winston will stay in NO, as neither of his backups are the answer and he actually looked good before he got hurt. If he doesn't I'd consider him, but again, he's just a band aid until we can draft our guy.

01-12-2022, 08:57 PM	#4
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,875	Re: 2022 off season thread part 1 IF Jimmy G ( or any of the others in his category)had started the season with us would we have made the playoffs ? I ask because we only missed by 2 games and had a bad start with the D.. just trying to figure out if a middle of pack QB can at least get us in the mix until we can draft the Guy..

01-13-2022, 12:46 AM	#5
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: 2022 off season thread part 1 We will come from this off-season with a young QB and a stud #2 WR.......possibly a few good young linemen.....the ingredients for the defense is there......I want to see Cole Holcomb and Jamin Davis switch positions...... __________________ *Touchdown Washington Redskins!!!*

01-13-2022, 06:47 PM	#12
FrenchSkin Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 4,525	Re: 2022 off season thread part 1 Btw, I think Flowers and Schweitzer both need to be extended ASAP, both only have one year left, the former is 27, the later 28. __________________ Derz Ambassaderz in the Land of the Rising Sun. Oui Monsieur. Last edited by FrenchSkin; 01-13-2022 at 07:08 PM.

01-13-2022, 10:44 PM	#15
FrenchSkin Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 4,525	Re: 2022 off season thread part 1 Oh, and there are trillions of quality UFA LBs, no excuse to not bring at the very least one this year... KJ Wright (again), Hightower, Barr, Ingram, Kirksey, Minter, Alexander, Ogletree, Jamie Collins etc... Even Nick Vigil who I saw making plays for the Vikings could be signed on the cheap for quality depth/competition. If we don't bring at least 2/3 LBs through FA and draft I will start to lose a lot of faith in this regime. __________________ Derz Ambassaderz in the Land of the Rising Sun. Oui Monsieur.

01-12-2022, 06:28 PM	#2
Chief X_Phackter Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 5,644	Re: 2022 off season thread part 1 Scherff is gone. It is what it is. I wouldn't dump Samuels, but I would draft a WR. I would say Watson is not out of the question, but it does sound like his preference is Miami. I don't understand why (or believe) he will just follow Flores wherever he goes - should he get another HC gig. Until I hear otherwise I have to believe that Rodgers and Wilson are in play. They have to be and should be. They are all long shots, and probably return to their respective teams. If they can't lure one of those three, then go after tier two (Carr, Ryan, Garrapolo, Winston) and draft a QB after Round 1. If they do this, I'll be happy. If they aren't big players in any trade/free agent opportunity for one of the "big 3", then I'll be pretty disappointed. First things first though, get Scary Terry under a long term deal. That would help lure a QB.

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