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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
I hear Republicans complaining about $20,000 in student debt forgiveness. Funny, I didn't hear those complaints when Trump declared bankruptcy 6 times & had $287 million in loans forgiven by big banks. The GOP l-o-v-e-s socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest.

It’s not forgiveness…the money will be paid back by the middle/working class most likely in taxes hikes.

As someone who saw tax returns when underwriting years ago…this will certainly benefit folks earning up in the 4 maybe 3 percent of top income. Those folks know how to not show income for the tax man.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
I hear Republicans complaining about $20,000 in student debt forgiveness. ....

And Dems too. Problem is student loan forgiveness is the same type of action that caused education to get so expensive (Government money/loan guarantees flooding the system). It helps graduates with current loans but will accelerate costs for education, thus screwing current and future students.

https://www.newsweek.com/jason-furma...s-plan-1736671

[Chico23231]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zucke...124008993.html

Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship


There is the FBI affecting the outcome of the election

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zucke...124008993.html

Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship


There is the FBI affecting the outcome of the election

LOL, JHC. YAFF!

[MTK]

Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.

For one, COVID was a worldwide pandemic that was involuntary. I think lots of people supported a program that in theory helped the businesses that actually needed it the most, not the disaster that our government rolled out in this shitty PPP program, that let all these rich people take advantage. Once again, another thing that our government fucks up, but I should just be happy and keep sending in my money.

No one forced anyone to go to college and incur those debts. Don't want student loans, don't go to college, or go to a school you can actually afford. Or if you need loans because you want to go to college and its too expensive, pay back your own loan(s). It's not my or anyone else's responsibility to do so. I have my own financial burdens as a middle class fuck trying to get by.

There seems to be this argument that everyone against this student loan debt vote buying plan is also 100% for businesses taking advantage of other programs.

I'm not for either of them. Just another 300 to 500 billion dollars, ehhh, no big deal.

This country lives in fantasy land about money, deficits, and debt.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.

Because some bailouts help and some don't. Student loan bailouts are actually a continuation of the proximate cause of education debt - easy access to government money driving up the cost of college. It helps those with current loans but hurts even more those that will be paying for college in the future.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Why are we ok with bailing out businesses but bailing out the everyday person is frowned upon? Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics of trying to differentiate between PPP loans and student loans and why one is on and one isn’t. Everyone can benefit by catching a break now and then. If someone got $200k in free government money to keep their business afloat but is mad at someone getting $20k in student loan relief, that’s just the epitome of selfishness and being an overall shitty person. I know people that benefited from the PPP, and I know plenty that will benefit from the student loan forgiveness, including myself.

Good for you Matty! That’s awesome. I agree - it’s nice to see someone who deserves help getting it.

When I say someone who deserves it I mean someone like yourself, a productive member of society who isn’t uber rich - dont wanna see someone who wont help themselves get help - dont wanna see someone who doesn’t need the help get help. Im happy for you.

The big picture that needs to be addressed - like Chief alluded to - is getting a cap put on how much these universities can fucking charge.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I'm not opposed to people getting help. Most of us need it from time to time. I would just like to see "them" address the underlying issues that got us here in the first place. I don't see that happening. What I see is more handouts right before an election.

Anyway, can I get a retro payment of $10k since I paid mine off already? Or am I ineligible because I made the necessary sacrifices to ensure I paid my bills on time, paying them off, and honoring my end of the contract?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not opposed to people getting help. Most of us need it from time to time. I would just like to see "them" address the underlying issues that got us here in the first place. I don't see that happening. What I see is more handouts right before an election.

Anyway, can I get a retro payment of $10k since I paid mine off already? Or am I ineligible because I made the necessary sacrifices to ensure I paid my bills on time, paying them off, and honoring my end of the contract?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I know, I know. I'm trying to fall in line...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not opposed to people getting help. Most of us need it from time to time. I would just like to see "them" address the underlying issues that got us here in the first place. I don't see that happening. What I see is more handouts right before an election.

Anyway, can I get a retro payment of $10k since I paid mine off already? Or am I ineligible because I made the necessary sacrifices to ensure I paid my bills on time, paying them off, and honoring my end of the contract?

I definitely agree this doesn’t get to the underlying issues, but even if it’s a band aid it will help somebody.

As for your situation I say that’s great you were able to pay them off and don’t need any help. I say that with all sincerity. I’ve been paying on mine since 2006 and have barely put a dent in the principal because I’m on an income sensitive plan. It’s depressing as hell to see what little I’ve paid off. I’m lucky since it’s my only real debt. Plenty of people are way more buried than I am.

[Chico23231]

The entire education system is in crisis. We need to completely revamp it

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The entire education system is in crisis. We need to completely revamp it

Lol. Will never happen. Just like every other government program/decision/etc., a bunch of fat cats will all get their cut too. Nothing will change. Then we will need a new bailout in x number of years.

Government creates the problems then does nothing to actually fix them, while spending billions of dollars, and we are told it must be done.

Rinse and repeat. Our federal government is a laughable joke. I agree with Sunny, that we are fucked. But likely for different reasons.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Our federal government is a laughable joke. .

I have been pointing that out , funny you didn't think so when trump was in ?