WFT's Off-Season Thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

I think it is a little odd that they cut Moses now if they don't need the money for signing someone. We have depth now but don't know what is going to happen between now and the end of camp in terms of injury, or if another team loses a tackle and is in desperate need before final cuts which would provide some trade interest. If they don't use the cap space that they have gained and one of those two things happens then they are going to look a little stupid.



They don't need cap space to extend Scherff or Allen, but there are a couple of others such as Logan Thomas who would be worth it

Only thing I can think is Moses has been a good locker room guy, played almost every game and they are foregoing what they might get in a trade if such a circumstance happens like you pointed out to do him a favor and give him a time to move on now. Would go towards that culture of treating your players right?

[OnceWeWereKings]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Only thing I can think is Moses has been a good locker room guy, played almost every game and they are foregoing what they might get in a trade if such a circumstance happens like you pointed out to do him a favor and give him a time to move on now. Would go towards that culture of treating your players right?

Didn't Moses say publicly that Trent Williams should leave the team and continue to hold out? I may be wrong, but I distinctly remember him publicly backing Trent.....which is kind of the opposite ofnhim being a good locker room guy.
I think in regards to the Moses release/trade or whatever is happeneing...we are, collectively, being near sighted. Aside from his 1 good year last year, he was not that good. His rookie year he didn't play, then he played poorly, and when the play was better he was (likely) the most penalized person on the roster.
Honestly, I'm not upset with seeing him go at all.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

Didn't Moses say publicly that Trent Williams should leave the team and continue to hold out? I may be wrong, but I distinctly remember him publicly backing Trent.....which is kind of the opposite ofnhim being a good locker room guy.
I think in regards to the Moses release/trade or whatever is happeneing...we are, collectively, being near sighted. Aside from his 1 good year last year, he was not that good. His rookie year he didn't play, then he played poorly, and when the play was better he was (likely) the most penalized person on the roster.
Honestly, I'm not upset with seeing him go at all.

That does pretty much sum up his career here.

Bottom line, this is nothing to get your panties in a wad about...

[EdmundDorf]

On the plus side we will have a butt load of cap space again next season

[MTK]

Moses was out the moment we drafted Cosmi. A 2nd rounder isn't going to ride the bench all year.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Moses was out the moment we drafted Cosmi. A 2nd rounder isn't going to ride the bench all year.

Maybe but I was just addressing the comments by EdmundDorf about why they released him now instead of waiting to see if someone got desperate and offered a trade for him. I think it is a valid point. And yeah totally agree about ur take on him supporting a teammate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Maybe but I was just addressing the comments about why they released him now instead of waiting to see if someone got desperate and offered a trade for him. And yeah totally agree about ur take on him supporting a teammate.

I wasn't directing my comment towards you it was just a general thought

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

I wasn't directing my comment towards you it was just a general thought

I know. Was just wondering what you thought about holding onto him for trade bait ....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I know. Was just wondering what you thought about holding onto him for trade bait ....

I think if someone wanted him they would have pounced right away. I have no problem giving him the chance to catch on somewhere else vs holding him captive for a late round pick that will probably never come.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Maybe but I was just addressing the comments by EdmundDorf about why they released him now instead of waiting to see if someone got desperate and offered a trade for him. I think it is a valid point. And yeah totally agree about ur take on him supporting a teammate.

I feel like releasing him now may indicate there is another veteran out there they may want to pick up (KJ Wright, Julio Jones, Aaron Rodgers; not necessarily in that order). 😉

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I feel like releasing him now may indicate there is another veteran out there they may want to pick up (KJ Wright, Julio Jones, Aaron Rodgers; not necessarily in that order). 😉

I hope the money is used to extend Allen or Payne.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I feel like releasing him now may indicate there is another veteran out there they may want to pick up (KJ Wright, Julio Jones, Aaron Rodgers; not necessarily in that order). 😉

Nah. They aren't making any dumb trades.
And they can sign most anyone with super low number this year that balloons later years.

This was about being able to pick up several lineman, Leno Flowers, that no one knew for sure would be available, and draft one, Cosmi, that made a number of players expendable.

Suppose Leno mans LT. I think Cosmi is a day one starter at RT, though I prefer letting him try LT. Day one Cosmi is at least as good a pass blocker as Moses. Cosmi is making $6.7M over 4 years. He will cost less over four years than Moses would have this year. This is a case study in why draft picks are gold and you don't trade up in most cases. Belicheat in NE always LOVED high second round picks because you could get 1st round talent, if you draft smart, for super cheap deals. Cosmi costs 15%-20% of what Moses does, roughly, if you average value of his rookie deal over 4 years. Other teams that have 3-5 more picks than us per year, comp especially, or trade back aggressively or for future picks aggressively, will always be better if both run competently because of this dynamic.

Our FO did it right. You get rid of older players, replace them with draft picks, and spend most of your cap money signing young players you drafted who have proven success in your building, organization, and program and scheme. If you draft well long term, virtually all big deals go to players you drafted and know, which we are rolling up on hopefully. Better teams are always ruthless about getting rid of aging players. It is a cold blooded business, but letting guys like Moses, Kerrigan, etc., go was the right choice.

[MTK]

I don't think speaking out in support of Trent makes him a bad teammate, in fact it's probably the opposite if you ask guys in the locker room.

At the end of the day the guy is 30 years old and Ron obviously thinks they can get younger and cheaper at RT without a big drop-off in play.

[MTK]

Under Bruce there's no doubt we would have done something petty like hold on to him. It's good to have adults running the show now.

[OnceWeWereKings]

I mean..I don't think him backing another player is the end all be all, but in that situation, Trent was trying to hold the team hostage...and the more it played out, the more it was him using excuses to get more money on a contract that he already signed. Not to rehash that whole situation, but he knew not having a lt on the team would be debilitating...and he used that, and Moses backed it. Like...f>×_ the team...he should get that money. That's all I meant.
This does seem like financial planning for the year after this, though.
Regardless....he is not irreplaceable. Haven't been a fan of his for a while now, honestly. Can't stress enough....those penalties