WFT's Off-Season Thread

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

I mean..I don't think him backing another player is the end all be all, but in that situation, Trent was trying to hold the team hostage...and the more it played out, the more it was him using excuses to get more money on a contract that he already signed. Not to rehash that whole situation, but he knew not having a lt on the team would be debilitating...and he used that, and Moses backed it. Like...f>×_ the team...he should get that money. That's all I meant.
This does seem like financial planning for the year after this, though.
Regardless....he is not irreplaceable. Haven't been a fan of his for a while now, honestly. Can't stress enough....those penalties

I never interpreted Trent situation as him just holding team hostage for money.
He almost died from what he perceives to be a misdiagnosis.
While I think he felt underpaid, stop and really ponder if it would really be all about money for you if team told you no problem, and then you had to have a brain tumor removed! That's FAR more important to Trent than retiring with $30M more in bank when he's already worth $50M+ at that point. I think he honestly felt he would never trust existing medical staff and FO again, and I don't blame him.

We can't know Washington's side because of HIPAA confidentiality, they are NOT allowed to disclose private medical info. Pro athletes are usually uneducated (despite having college degrees) with low IQs. It is entirely possible situation was explained to Trent correctly and he misinterpreted. Nonetheless, when you look at case history, right up to today with Allen BS, Trent's side is hardly ridiculous. Is there anyone besides Gibbs who has left Washington that hasn't been smeared or cornholed by THE DAN? Could be more systemic incompetency poor culture than some Dr. Evil let's kill Trent scenario. I mean Jesus, people have been complaining about our turf for a decade plus, we're just now doing it.

If they were going to punish Moses punitively, would have been done long before now. THE DAN has eaten millions upon millions to be the petulant turd of a human being he is, eating $20M to cut Moses years ago would have been NO problem. I think it is simply about RR making a smart personnel move. As you observe, penalties, but also getting absolutely destroyed in pass coverage off the edge far too often. He epitomizes our old paper tiger OL. Against better edge rushers he gets exposed. Moses is right siding with Trent, and I have nothing negative to say about his character, work ethic, etc., solely analysis of his play. We have MUCH cheaper players that are better pass blockers, period.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

I never interpreted Trent situation as him just holding team hostage for money.
He almost died from what he perceives to be a misdiagnosis.
While I think he felt underpaid, stop and really ponder if it would really be all about money for you if team told you no problem, and then you had to have a brain tumor removed! That's FAR more important to Trent than retiring with $30M more in bank when he's already worth $50M+ at that point. I think he honestly felt he would never trust existing medical staff and FO again, and I don't blame him.

Ok, let's not get it twisted...he had a form of skin cancer, not a BRAIN TUMOR. Many doctors misdiagnose...medical practice is not fool proof. The team docs were monitoring the situation and when they thought it might be something more serious, they referred him to a specialist who made the cancer diagnosis. Cancer is often not found when we would like it to be found...it's F'n cancer... That's why Cancer sucks...

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Ok, let's not get it twisted...he had a form of skin cancer, not a BRAIN TUMOR. Many doctors misdiagnose...medical practice is not fool proof. The team docs were monitoring the situation and when they thought it might be something more serious, they referred him to a specialist who made the cancer diagnosis. Cancer is often not found when we would like it to be found...it's F'n cancer... That's why Cancer sucks...

Trent Williams had MAJOR surgery. I don't believe everything we heard through the media, and again, team can't say their side of the story, while Trent can, so I factor that in. I watched Trent describe his operation, and he made it VERY clear publicly he thought the medical staff had been negligent. I don't know the truth, no one who isn't Trent or the staff does, but Trent's beef with us was about WAY more than money. Whether he was "right" or "wrong," I can't say, but it wasn't just a money grab. He felt (again right or wrong) the staff had contributed to his medical problems via negligence and this was a HUGE factor in his leaving.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Scalper: I've given you a hard time before. And am still kinda doing it here.

Every once in a while, I'll read thru one of these novels, and I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying.

But for the most part, I just scroll past your posts, because it's just too much to read. This isn't a news site, it's a fan site.

I'm assuming you're posting here to engage with other fans, so that's why I'm saying this. I'm sure others agree. Less words please. It's America, so do what you want, but less words lol.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Scalper: I've given you a hard time before. And am still kinda doing it here.



Every once in a while, I'll read thru one of these novels, and I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying.



But for the most part, I just scroll past your posts, because it's just too much to read. This isn't a news site, it's a fan site.



I'm assuming you're posting here to engage with other fans, so that's why I'm saying this. I'm sure others agree. Less words please. It's America, so do what you want, but less words lol.

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agree about less words.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by punch it in

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agree about less words.

LOL.
That is a hilarious post.
I write the way I write and not dumbing it down.
Feel free to continue busting my balls though, LOL.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

LOL.

That is a hilarious post.

I write the way I write and not dumbing it down.

Feel free to continue busting my balls though, LOL.

You don't have to dumb it down to be concise. The Gettysburg address had 275 words and encapsulated the whole definition of the civil war. I think we can articulate our thoughts on a particular football issue in fewer words.

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[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You don't have to dumb it down to be concise. The Gettysburg address had 275 words and encapsulated the whole definition of the civil war. I think we can articulate our thoughts on a particular football issue in fewer words.

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A bullshit propagandized definition of the war. The Civil War was about tariffs, not slavery. Emancipation was just to propagandize an unpopular war and make it popular. The GA was effective propaganda, but let's not mistake it for historical fact.

Propaganda for plebs must always be brief and dumbed down, and this is one reason our democracy is crumbling. The infantile attention spans of social media junkies, whose brains are wired like those of heroin addicts, make meaningful public discourse on crucial issues impossible. That being said, my posts are often too long, I use voice rec. and don't type them though.

Lincoln went through no fewer than a half dozen revisions to get a long address short. Shakespeare, whoever he was, revised his plays for brevity. I hammer out my posts, not revising them like GA or plays. :-)

I am fine with everyone busting my balls though. It is funny and I deserve it at times. LOL.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Scalper

LOL.

That is a hilarious post.

I write the way I write and not dumbing it down.

Feel free to continue busting my balls though, LOL.

Like SD said it is just too time consuming to read your posts. You can post as long of a post as you would like, but if you actually want people to read them you should just get to your point quicker.
A message board is alot like a real life conversation- back and forth. You are having an entire discussion in one post and if one person won’t stop talking the other person is going to walk away. Sounds like you are very educated, insightful, and passionate but it is all wasted if people do not read them, and there is no way me and SD are the only ones scrolling past them for times sake.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Scalper

LOL.
That is a hilarious post.
I write the way I write and not dumbing it down.
Feel free to continue busting my balls though, LOL.

Since brevity is the soul of wit / And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief…

----Shakespeare's Hamlet

But, you do you.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Since brevity is the soul of wit / And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief…

----Shakespeare's Hamlet

But, you do you.

I am long-winded at times.
I also refuse to dumb down for a generation which thinks 140 characters is meaningful communication.
Would you prefer posts in iambic pentameter? :-)

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Since brevity is the soul of wit / And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief…

----Shakespeare's Hamlet

But, you do you.

Ce que l’on conçoit bien s’énonce clairement, Et les mots pour le dire arrivent aisément.

Nicolas Boileau

Whatever is well conceived is clearly said, And the words to say it flow with ease.

[Pervis_Griffith]

Ryan Fitzpatrick can make history this season ..... and not in a good way.

He could be the only QB in NFL history to have lost to 31 different franchises.

3 QB's have wins over all 32 NFL franchises (Brees, Favre, P. Manning). No QB has losses to all 32 franchises. Ryan can get the closest if the Skins lose to Green Bay, New Orleans, and Tampa Bay. Anyway ... linked to article, and copied and pasted below ...



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fferent-teams/

Three starting quarterbacks in NFL history have wins over all 32 NFL teams: Drew Brees, Brett Favre and Peyton Manning. Tom Brady will join that list if his Buccaneers beat the Patriots this season. And Aaron Rodgers could join the list too if he ends up on another team, and that team beats the Packers. But no quarterback has accomplished the feat of losing to all 32 teams.

Washington quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick can come the closest this season.

Fitzpatrick has lost to 28 different teams as a starting quarterback, according to Pro Football Reference. Of the four teams he hasn’t lost to, three are on Washington’s schedule this season: The Packers, Saints and Buccaneers. If Fitzpatrick loses to those three teams, he’ll have lost to an all-time record 31 NFL teams. (The Lions are the one team Fitzpatrick hasn’t lost to and won’t play this season.)

Although no starting quarterback has lost to 31 or 32 different teams, seven have lost to 30: Drew Bledsoe, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, Carson Palmer and Alex Smith. One quarterback, Kerry Collins, has lost to 29 teams. But all of those quarterbacks are retired, so they can’t reach 31 losses like Fitzpatrick.

In addition to Fitzpatrick, the other quarterbacks who have lost to 28 different teams in their careers are Derek Carr, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Jeff George, Eli Manning, Warren Moon, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Vinny Testaverde. Carr, Flacco, Roethlisberger and Ryan can still add to their totals, but none can reach 31 different teams this season like Fitzpatrick can: Ryan’s Falcons only play two of the four teams he hasn’t lost to, while Carr’s Raiders and Roethlisberger’s Steelers play one each. Flacco’s Eagles play two of the teams he hasn’t lost to, but he’s not expected to start this season, so Flacco is unlikely to add to his total.

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford have each lost to 27 different teams, but none of them can add more than three new losses this season, so none can catch Fitzpatrick.

In a strange way, losing to all 32 teams is a more difficult accomplishment than beating all 32 teams: Quarterbacks who lose a lot of games usually get benched or cut and don’t last long enough to lose to all 32 teams. It’s hard to keep a starting job for a long time while losing a lot of games. But Fitzpatrick has been a starter for eight different franchises, and Washington will be his ninth. He’s had an unusual career, and this year he can do something unprecedented in NFL history.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pervis_Griffith

Ryan Fitzpatrick can make history this season ..... and not in a good way.



He could be the only QB in NFL history to have lost to 31 different franchises.



3 QB's have wins over all 32 NFL franchises (Brees, Favre, P. Manning). No QB has losses to all 32 franchises. Ryan can get the closest if the Skins lose to Green Bay, New Orleans, and Tampa Bay. Anyway ... linked to article, and copied and pasted below ...







https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fferent-teams/



Three starting quarterbacks in NFL history have wins over all 32 NFL teams: Drew Brees, Brett Favre and Peyton Manning. Tom Brady will join that list if his Buccaneers beat the Patriots this season. And Aaron Rodgers could join the list too if he ends up on another team, and that team beats the Packers. But no quarterback has accomplished the feat of losing to all 32 teams.



Washington quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick can come the closest this season.



Fitzpatrick has lost to 28 different teams as a starting quarterback, according to Pro Football Reference. Of the four teams he hasn’t lost to, three are on Washington’s schedule this season: The Packers, Saints and Buccaneers. If Fitzpatrick loses to those three teams, he’ll have lost to an all-time record 31 NFL teams. (The Lions are the one team Fitzpatrick hasn’t lost to and won’t play this season.)



Although no starting quarterback has lost to 31 or 32 different teams, seven have lost to 30: Drew Bledsoe, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, Carson Palmer and Alex Smith. One quarterback, Kerry Collins, has lost to 29 teams. But all of those quarterbacks are retired, so they can’t reach 31 losses like Fitzpatrick.



In addition to Fitzpatrick, the other quarterbacks who have lost to 28 different teams in their careers are Derek Carr, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Jeff George, Eli Manning, Warren Moon, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Vinny Testaverde. Carr, Flacco, Roethlisberger and Ryan can still add to their totals, but none can reach 31 different teams this season like Fitzpatrick can: Ryan’s Falcons only play two of the four teams he hasn’t lost to, while Carr’s Raiders and Roethlisberger’s Steelers play one each. Flacco’s Eagles play two of the teams he hasn’t lost to, but he’s not expected to start this season, so Flacco is unlikely to add to his total.



Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford have each lost to 27 different teams, but none of them can add more than three new losses this season, so none can catch Fitzpatrick.



In a strange way, losing to all 32 teams is a more difficult accomplishment than beating all 32 teams: Quarterbacks who lose a lot of games usually get benched or cut and don’t last long enough to lose to all 32 teams. It’s hard to keep a starting job for a long time while losing a lot of games. But Fitzpatrick has been a starter for eight different franchises, and Washington will be his ninth. He’s had an unusual career, and this year he can do something unprecedented in NFL history.

Brady, Rodgers have lost to 27, Roethlisberger 28 like Fitzpatrick. Such a non-story story

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Brady, Rodgers have lost to 27, Roethlisberger 28 like Fitzpatrick. Such a non-story story

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Typical profootballtalk fuckery. These dumb fucks, any negative story to associate with the skins is their MO.