Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

MTK · 11-09-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I mean, for the last year Luck vs RG3 was the talk of football, and it only increased after the draft. So thinking along the lines of comparison here is pretty obvious, right?

And how can we forget all the analysts who said RG3 would have a better rookie year because he was surrounded by superior talent and coaching than Luck

I can't wait for the day we can move beyond the Shanny debacle...it's getting soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.

Again, I understand that Luck and RG3 are going to be tied together for their careers.

It's the team comparisons that I think are a little pointless.

The Colts are obviously much better off talent wise than most of us gave them credit for. They also haven't been hit by the injury bug as hard as we have. Pagano's illness is undoubtedly giving them extra inspiration and motivation as well. That element can't be underestimated.

CRedskinsRule · 11-09-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I mean, for the last year Luck vs RG3 was the talk of football, and it only increased after the draft. So thinking along the lines of comparison here is pretty obvious, right?

And how can we forget all the analysts who said RG3 would have a better rookie year because he was surrounded by superior talent and coaching than Luck

I can't wait for the day we can move beyond the Shanny debacle...it's getting soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.

Well, to be fair, they expected the Colts to be at 3 wins all season and us at around 6, so the Colts performance is more what is the outlier, not their predictions for us.

And of course aren't you one who said that you don't listen to what the media says? So why would you be using that now to justify your argument?

The Goat · 11-09-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well, to be fair, they expected the Colts to be at 3 wins all season and us at around 6, so the Colts performance is more what is the outlier, not their predictions for us.

And of course aren't you one who said that you don't listen to what the media says? So why would you be using that now to justify your argument?

That's correct, but I was thoroughly educated by folks here the analysts are pros at what they do and should be taken very, very seriously. LOL, it's all a joke is my point.

SFREDSKIN · 11-09-2012, 04:22 PM

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MTK · 11-09-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

That's correct, but I was thoroughly educated by folks here the analysts are pros at what they do and should be taken very, very seriously. LOL, it's all a joke is my point.

You seem to be very selective as to when you choose to rely on analysts opinions.

Of course they're not right all the time. They're not wrong all the time either.

Games aren't played on paper as we know. They're played by little men inside our TV sets.

Mechanix544 · 11-09-2012, 09:52 AM

No, its not surprising. What is surprising is that at the beginning of the year, 99.9% of people felt the team that Shanahan had built around RG3 for the past 2 years was superior to the talent Luck had in Indy. Now that has been proven false. Wonder how much of it actually has to do with arranging talent, than to actual coaching of your players, control, discipline and management during the games. Just really stinks we are still in neutral, even though the NFCE is ripe for the taking right now, or at least ripe for the not being in the damn cellar for the umpeenth straight year.

Paintrain · 11-09-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

No, its not surprising. What is surprising is that at the beginning of the year, 99.9% of people felt the team that Shanahan had built around RG3 for the past 2 years was superior to the talent Luck had in Indy. Now that has been proven false. Wonder how much of it actually has to do with arranging talent, than to actual coaching of your players, control, discipline and management during the games. Just really stinks we are still in neutral, even though the NFCE is ripe for the taking right now, or at least ripe for the not being in the damn cellar for the umpeenth straight year.

Not to overuse the injuries excuse but the Colts are still trotting all of their opening day starters out there on offense (with the exception of Donald Brown) to support Luck. Do you think Luck & the Colts would be as successful without Wayne, Fleener and whoever their starting RT is?

I'm with Matty, can we not compare every situation out there to ours since each one is different? I'm kinda looking forward to this Sunday just putting it on the Red Zone channel and enjoying an afternoon of stress free football.

MTK · 11-09-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not to overuse the injuries excuse but the Colts are still trotting all of their opening day starters out there on offense (with the exception of Donald Brown) to support Luck. Do you think Luck & the Colts would be as successful without Wayne, Fleener and whoever their starting RT is?

I'm with Matty, can we not compare every situation out there to ours since each one is different? I'm kinda looking forward to this Sunday just putting it on the Red Zone channel and enjoying an afternoon of stress free football.

I was gonna say it sure would be interesting to see if they lost Wayne for the season and a few other key guys.

SmootSmack · 11-09-2012, 10:16 AM

I compare us to the Jags and Chiefs...and I'm on top of the world

Mechanix544 · 11-09-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I compare us to the Jags and Chiefs...and I'm on top of the world

Yes, and then I think about the Miami Dolphins, Titans, Saints, Rams, Seahawks, Bucs, Cadinals, Bengals and Raiders all having a better record than us, and I'm right back in the dumps again.

So this season is injuries, ok. Got it. So next season, its gonna be the guys that got injured need a year or two to get back to 100%. Okay. Then what?

NC_Skins · 11-09-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Yes, and then I think about the Miami Dolphins, Titans, Saints, Rams, Seahawks, Bucs, Cadinals, Bengals and Raiders all having a better record than us, and I'm right back in the dumps again.

So this season is injuries, ok. Got it. So next season, its gonna be the guys that got injured need a year or two to get back to 100%. Okay. Then what?

It's not just injuries. It's a mix of all. Injuries, shitty talent, poor coaching, capgate.

SmootSmack · 11-09-2012, 10:38 AM

Sucks to be you I guess

Mechanix544 · 11-09-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sucks to be you I guess

It does.

JoeRedskin · 11-09-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sucks to be you I guess

Brilliant. Soda came out my nose on that one.

REDSKINS4ever · 11-09-2012, 11:00 AM

Helu is done. Orakpo is done. Carriker is done. Fred Davis is done. Garcon's injury won't heal up quick enough for him to play anytime soon. Then there's the secondary problem. D. Hall, Josh Morgan, Madieu Williams, and Reed Doughty are all second string talent. Where Carriker has been replaced, Jarvis Jenkins doesn't resemble the player who crashed the entire offensive lines in the 2011 preseason. He's just a body on the defensive line taking up space.

Evan Royster showed flashes of greatness last season, but his 6.0 yard per carry average has decreased to 3.8 yards a run. Maybe he just needs more touches. Josh Morgan is okay, but given his contract, I expected more of him so I'll suggest he's under performing. Leonard Hankerson has been so-so. I can't overlook dropped TD passes in the end zone. Santana Moss has been Santana Moss. Logan Paulsen has surprised. He reminds me a little of Don Warren.

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11-09-2012, 09:52 AM	#6
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,277	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? No, its not surprising. What is surprising is that at the beginning of the year, 99.9% of people felt the team that Shanahan had built around RG3 for the past 2 years was superior to the talent Luck had in Indy. Now that has been proven false. Wonder how much of it actually has to do with arranging talent, than to actual coaching of your players, control, discipline and management during the games. Just really stinks we are still in neutral, even though the NFCE is ripe for the taking right now, or at least ripe for the not being in the damn cellar for the umpeenth straight year.

11-09-2012, 10:16 AM	#9
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11-09-2012, 11:00 AM	#15
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: Should Mike Shanahan be fired? Helu is done. Orakpo is done. Carriker is done. Fred Davis is done. Garcon's injury won't heal up quick enough for him to play anytime soon. Then there's the secondary problem. D. Hall, Josh Morgan, Madieu Williams, and Reed Doughty are all second string talent. Where Carriker has been replaced, Jarvis Jenkins doesn't resemble the player who crashed the entire offensive lines in the 2011 preseason. He's just a body on the defensive line taking up space. Evan Royster showed flashes of greatness last season, but his 6.0 yard per carry average has decreased to 3.8 yards a run. Maybe he just needs more touches. Josh Morgan is okay, but given his contract, I expected more of him so I'll suggest he's under performing. Leonard Hankerson has been so-so. I can't overlook dropped TD passes in the end zone. Santana Moss has been Santana Moss. Logan Paulsen has surprised. He reminds me a little of Don Warren.

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