Campbell's numbers dont lie

GTripp0012 · 11-16-2009, 10:45 PM

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

skinsfan69 · 11-16-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do look it up. Brady's 2003 and Campbell's 2008 are near-identical.

Jason Campbell NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tom Brady NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Brady really broke out in 2004, as previously pointed out.

The numbers are not near identical. Brady was clearly better in 02 and 03. And that's not a knock on JC.

mlmdub130 · 11-16-2009, 11:56 PM

campbell still is the same qb he has allways been, he is an average qb, and he could win with the right situation around him. what i see week in and week out is a qb who can manage a game and nothing more, i would love nothing more than to see it all finally click and have him start making all of his passes instead of skipping some on the ground, over throwing others, and not seeing wide open receivers on, just don't think that will happen, he has too many things to over come this far into his career

skinsfaninok · 11-17-2009, 01:40 AM

OK I have been a little harsh to say the least on Jason Campbell, during the past offseason when we were "Secretly" shopping around for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, I was all for it. In fact I was down and out when we didn't get either one of those guys. I dogged JC all Preseason and Everygame this season.. But now that half of this season is over I have looked back at all 3 QB's STATS, Jason has a better Passer rating than both and has way less INT's than both. Jason has only 4 less td passes than Cutler and has 1 more than Sanchez. Even with a HORRIBLE and INJURED Oline, and a young recieveing core, (outside of Moss.) So I must Give props to JC because god know's I have trashed him so much this season, I know he won't be here next yr and I don't think he's a Legit starter in this league anyway, but still he has earned my props..

dgw090767 · 11-17-2009, 01:56 AM

Thank God that there is some one out there who can still think for themselves and see what is true. I've ben saying all season that he's better than what people are giving him credit for. Is JC the best QB in the league, NO! Is JC the worst QB in the leageue, NO! The ignorant fans will miss what they had once it's gone.

DCtoAZ · 11-17-2009, 02:32 AM

so who thinks he'll be back ... this is a big week if you can have won at 3-6 .. sure would be nice to snag a win in bid D with JC leading the show .

Hail Betts !!

DBUCHANON101 · 11-17-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

OK I have been a little harsh to say the least on Jason Campbell, during the past offseason when we were "Secretly" shopping around for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, I was all for it. In fact I was down and out when we didn't get either one of those guys. I dogged JC all Preseason and Everygame this season.. But now that half of this season is over I have looked back at all 3 QB's STATS, Jason has a better Passer rating than both and has way less INT's than both. Jason has only 4 less td passes than Cutler and has 1 more than Sanchez. Even with a HORRIBLE and INJURED Oline, and a young recieveing core, (outside of Moss.) So I must Give props to JC because god know's I have trashed him so much this season, I know he won't be here next yr and I don't think he's a Legit starter in this league anyway, but still he has earned my props..

I still dont see how ppl are comparing a 3 yr starter to a rookie. I think its funny that the main excuse we hear for JC is thrown out the window in regards to comparing him to Cutler. -new offense- hell not only is cutler in a new offense but he is on a new team so its alot to get used to. Lets bring this up again next season with the same 3 and see how they match up with the situation being more comparable.

SolidSnake84 · 11-17-2009, 08:18 AM

I have been too hard on Jason myself. I have no complaints about his character or overall demeanor, however i hoped that this season he would finally put it all together.

I think the environment has damaged him, similar to David Carr or Patrick Ramsey. He doesn't play scared, but he seems overly cautious. At nearly 4 full seasons with him as our starter, i think we know what we have in him.

However, i still think that he is gone next season regardless. He is in the last year of his rookie deal, and i really can't see him being re-signed. I just can't. I think he, along with a few others, are gone in the roster purge this off-season.

Good luck to Jason though if he plays for another team. One guy wrote an article just a few days ago (it may have been jason whitlock), but he said that there is a 25% chance that Jason goes unsigned at the beginning of next season. I could believe it when nobody wanted to offer any good picks for him during the Cutler deal....

Chico23231 · 11-17-2009, 08:24 AM

Bye JC...mediocre QB at best, stats prove that. Bye Bye JC!

Chico23231 · 11-17-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I still dont see how ppl are comparing a 3 yr starter to a rookie. I think its funny that the main excuse we hear for JC is thrown out the window in regards to comparing him to Cutler. -new offense- hell not only is cutler in a new offense but he is on a new team so its alot to get used to. Lets bring this up again next season with the same 3 and see how they match up with the situation being more comparable.

Its no comparision, to say we expected JC to play better that a rookie, god I hope so. I guess when you set the bar so low....3-6 record with a QB with a rating of middle of the pack is excellent some how???...please give me a break with these pointless arguements of how JC is an average QB and how we have horrible corners at this moment of a team hitting bottom....ITS A TEAM

DBUCHANON101 · 11-17-2009, 08:45 AM

I would give JC more leeway if he were a 3rd round pick or so and he was a project QB but thats not the case, he is a 1st round pick who we gave up a 2nd round pick to jump up and select so for me i expect this guy to be the leader of the team and to take over games. Not a middle of the pack 50/50 guy who makes plays here and there. I know in the draft there are hits and misses at every position but if you take a guy in the 1st and you dont get a 1st round production from him its time to try again. I cant name another 1st round QB who has been on a team as long as JC and has yet to make the playoffs or a probowl.

SC Skins Fan · 11-17-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

The logic is quickly slipping from your posts. When not playing well, Palmer still had 4,000 yard/25 td seasons. Those who buried him after last year are the same mindless pundits who predict that the same teams will reach the playoffs as made it the year before (i.e. those with a very shallow historical memory). I realize that you are not necessarily comparing Campbell to Palmer, but just watch the tape. Watch Palmer's footwork, release, and willingness to make stick throws (he made one to Ochocinco on Sunday that was particularly impressive ... he is a "wow" thrower). You are just grasping now, you're better than that. Campbell played well at times on Sunday, but continues to frustrate by leaving so many plays on the field (Moss and Yoder plays the most obvious on Sunday, but emblematic of Campbell's struggles). We now know who he is as a player. I would not be against bringing him back if he is restricted, but I think that is probably unlikely.

SC Skins Fan · 11-17-2009, 09:03 AM

Don't we already have an 80 page thread on this topic?

SmootSmack · 11-17-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Don't we already have an 80 page thread on this topic?

You and me...we're on the same page here.

redsk1 · 11-17-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

Carson Palmer is a very good QB and no offense to JC, but JC is not in his league. You can't compare the two.

11-16-2009, 10:45 PM	#1156
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness. This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football. The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-16-2009, 11:56 PM	#1158
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	Re: Campbell's numbers dont lie campbell still is the same qb he has allways been, he is an average qb, and he could win with the right situation around him. what i see week in and week out is a qb who can manage a game and nothing more, i would love nothing more than to see it all finally click and have him start making all of his passes instead of skipping some on the ground, over throwing others, and not seeing wide open receivers on, just don't think that will happen, he has too many things to over come this far into his career __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

11-17-2009, 01:40 AM	#1159
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,137	My apologies to JC. OK I have been a little harsh to say the least on Jason Campbell, during the past offseason when we were "Secretly" shopping around for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, I was all for it. In fact I was down and out when we didn't get either one of those guys. I dogged JC all Preseason and Everygame this season.. But now that half of this season is over I have looked back at all 3 QB's STATS, Jason has a better Passer rating than both and has way less INT's than both. Jason has only 4 less td passes than Cutler and has 1 more than Sanchez. Even with a HORRIBLE and INJURED Oline, and a young recieveing core, (outside of Moss.) So I must Give props to JC because god know's I have trashed him so much this season, I know he won't be here next yr and I don't think he's a Legit starter in this league anyway, but still he has earned my props.. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-17-2009, 01:56 AM	#1160
dgw090767 Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 25	Re: My apologies to JC. Thank God that there is some one out there who can still think for themselves and see what is true. I've ben saying all season that he's better than what people are giving him credit for. Is JC the best QB in the league, NO! Is JC the worst QB in the leageue, NO! The ignorant fans will miss what they had once it's gone.

11-17-2009, 02:32 AM	#1161
DCtoAZ Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Age: 43 Posts: 623	Re: My apologies to JC. so who thinks he'll be back ... this is a big week if you can have won at 3-6 .. sure would be nice to snag a win in bid D with JC leading the show . Hail Betts !! __________________ "F*CK THE DALLAS JUMBOTRON" NFC EAST CHAMPS RG3 will be back & #12 can run the show until hes ready.We are young w depth. 23,59,89 will all be back.Alfred Morris aka Diesel Hybrid ! @DCtoAZ81 ...2013 NFC CHAMPS

11-17-2009, 08:18 AM	#1163
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,947	Re: My apologies to JC. I have been too hard on Jason myself. I have no complaints about his character or overall demeanor, however i hoped that this season he would finally put it all together. I think the environment has damaged him, similar to David Carr or Patrick Ramsey. He doesn't play scared, but he seems overly cautious. At nearly 4 full seasons with him as our starter, i think we know what we have in him. However, i still think that he is gone next season regardless. He is in the last year of his rookie deal, and i really can't see him being re-signed. I just can't. I think he, along with a few others, are gone in the roster purge this off-season. Good luck to Jason though if he plays for another team. One guy wrote an article just a few days ago (it may have been jason whitlock), but he said that there is a 25% chance that Jason goes unsigned at the beginning of next season. I could believe it when nobody wanted to offer any good picks for him during the Cutler deal.... __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

11-17-2009, 08:24 AM	#1164
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,505	Re: My apologies to JC. Bye JC...mediocre QB at best, stats prove that. Bye Bye JC! __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

11-17-2009, 08:45 AM	#1166
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: My apologies to JC. I would give JC more leeway if he were a 3rd round pick or so and he was a project QB but thats not the case, he is a 1st round pick who we gave up a 2nd round pick to jump up and select so for me i expect this guy to be the leader of the team and to take over games. Not a middle of the pack 50/50 guy who makes plays here and there. I know in the draft there are hits and misses at every position but if you take a guy in the 1st and you dont get a 1st round production from him its time to try again. I cant name another 1st round QB who has been on a team as long as JC and has yet to make the playoffs or a probowl. __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

11-17-2009, 09:03 AM	#1168
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: My apologies to JC. Don't we already have an 80 page thread on this topic? __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

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