How Long For Brunell?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

But I've gotta tell you, I am nothing short of stunned by this thread. Exactly what game where you people watching? Of all the broken pieces and parts, why are you discussing QB play at all?

For example:

Betts: 8/22 yards, 1 Fumble (how come no one is calling for his head?)
3rd Down Defense: 9/17
3rd Down Offense: 4/13
Secondary play: Enough said.

Compare that with what MB did:

17/28/163 with 0 fumbles, sacks or INTs.

Sure, not Peyton like numbers, but he sure wasn't the reason why we lost.

When did Betts fumble? Either way, it was not a fumble lost. Brunell and Portis did fumble an exchange, but they recovered it. Unless I've missed something, we had no turnovers against the Vikings.

Now, as to Brunell, regardless of his final stats, the type of play we saw isn't going to win games. The point is that by and large, you need dynamic quarterback play if you expect to go anywhere in the NFL today. Brunell wasn't dynamic in '05 -- far from it. Our defense and the running game was what got us to the divisional playoff round.

No, Brunell wasn't the sole reason we lost. But you cannot dismiss the fact that a better quarterback might have able to complete some throws into tight coverage and keep some drives going. Isn't Brunell a part of the 3rd down stats and red zone offense?

It's still hard to knock Brunell and his arm though...considering the Super Bowl winning QBs who were/are not known for arm strength: Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer...

Not a good comparison. I would submit that Dilfer and Johnson were playing at a higher level than Brunell is now. Not only that, the strength of the Ravens and Buccaneers in their Super Bowl seasons was the defense. Dilfer was better than people give credit for, ditto for Johnson. Right now, Brunell is playing like a very average quarterback.

Here's the thing, you can throw the ball away, and you can be good at avoiding interceptions, and still be ineffective as a quarterback.

As you guys have posted above he did throw for over 60% Monday night and did not get sacked or throw a pick. Which kept us in the game.

What kept the game close were Viking mistakes, nothing else. Throwing for 60% means nothing when there's only 16 points and failed red zone trips to show for it.

Let me say again, I am in no way calling for Brunell's head, nor am I calling for Campbell to start. Brunell is the best quarterback we have right now.

And that's the problem.

[RiggoRules]

I cannot believe I am here defending #8.

Originally Posted by LadyT

All I know is what I see and what I see is that the weakest link on the offense is QB and has been for some time. It's a sad state of affairs when all you can credit the QB with is two games in a 16-game season. I'll repeat - he's rarely if ever the reason we win games and, for a QB, that's pathetic. I don't want a QB who mostly "doesn't lose games for us". QBs should be game breakers and control the flow of the game for their team. Brunell might do that 2 or 3 games a year, at best.

May I suggest:

Eye Surgery Education Council

Perhaps you would be happier with this team and their four Super Bowl trophies:

The Official Website of the Indianapolis Colts

The Steelers, Patriots, Bucs and Ravens all have recent SB rings without "game breakers" at QB.

Perhaps you have forgotten what it has been like to have our QB losing game after game with stupid mistakes. I'm thrilled to see #8 throw that ball out of bounds instead of:

-Sack
-Penalty
-INT
-Fumble

The passing game struggles last year cannot be hung on MB. He had one quality WR. Of course the passing game is going to struggle. Against MN, Betts kept putting us in 2nd and 3rd and long. The most important (and most overlooked) QB stat is TD/INT ratio. Last year, MB was 2/1. That is outstanding. It was a big reason why we were able to get into the playoffs even though we were not getting any major juice from the passing game.

I feel like the Kevin Bacon character in Animal House yelling "Don't Panic!" in the middle of the riot.

If we had Bledsoe, Collins, Plummer, Kitna, Frye, Losman, Brooks, Carr, Huard or Favre (yes, I said it -- he is one of the worst in the league right now) at QB, then I could understand the reaction. In fact, I would be in a state of panic as well. But we don't.

I'd also like to point out that there are 10 NFL teams with really bad QBs starting for them this week. By comparison (and I can't believe I'm saying this), every Redskin fan should get down on their knees and thank god for #8.

[VTSkins897]

give it another game or two. if we beat dallas we're fine. i of course have my doubts but it's too early to tell. if we get a bit better in the RZ we should be okay. i felt we could move the ball when we needed to (losing in the beginning and the 4th qtr drive).

i'd feel WAY differently if we lost by 10+.

brad johnson is def. better than MB but what can you do?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by VTSkins897

give it another game or two. if we beat dallas we're fine. i of course have my doubts but it's too early to tell. if we get a bit better in the RZ we should be okay. i felt we could move the ball when we needed to (losing in the beginning and the 4th qtr drive).

i'd feel WAY differently if we lost by 10+.

brad johnson is def. better than MB but what can you do?

Had it not been for Troy Willamson dropping passes, we would have lost by way more than 10 points.

[VTSkins897]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Had it not been for Troy Willamson dropping passes, we would have lost by way more than 10 points.

i cancel that out partly with santana moss' drop. yeah he got hit but moss holds on to that shite.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

If we had Bledsoe, Collins, Plummer, Kitna, Frye, Losman, Brooks, Carr, Huard or Favre (yes, I said it -- he is one of the worst in the league right now) at QB, then I could understand the reaction. In fact, I would be in a state of panic as well. But we don't.

I'd also like to point out that there are 10 NFL teams with really bad QBs starting for them this week. By comparison (and I can't believe I'm saying this), every Redskin fan should get down on their knees and thank god for #8.

First of all, Losman and Frye have next to no game experience. Favre, Brooks, Carr, Kitna and Collins are all on really BAD teams, and Huard is only playing because Trent Green is out. Bledsoe and Plummer are the only fair comparisons, and the funny thing is, there was a segment on ESPN today, about whether or not Plummer and Bledsoe should be benched. If Brunell continues to put up the kind of numbers he did on Monday, he'll be on that list in a few weeks.

And I sure as hell will not get on my knees for a middle tier, happy feet, scared quarterback, that makes a couple of great plays every three seasons.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

I cannot believe I am here defending #8.



May I suggest:

Eye Surgery Education Council

Perhaps you would be happier with this team and their four Super Bowl trophies:

The Official Website of the Indianapolis Colts

The Steelers, Patriots, Bucs and Ravens all have recent SB rings without "game breakers" at QB.

Perhaps you have forgotten what it has been like to have our QB losing game after game with stupid mistakes. I'm thrilled to see #8 throw that ball out of bounds instead of:

-Sack
-Penalty
-INT
-Fumble

The passing game struggles last year cannot be hung on MB. He had one quality WR. Of course the passing game is going to struggle. Against MN, Betts kept putting us in 2nd and 3rd and long. The most important (and most overlooked) QB stat is TD/INT ratio. Last year, MB was 2/1. That is outstanding. It was a big reason why we were able to get into the playoffs even though we were not getting any major juice from the passing game.

I feel like the Kevin Bacon character in Animal House yelling "Don't Panic!" in the middle of the riot.

If we had Bledsoe, Collins, Plummer, Kitna, Frye, Losman, Brooks, Carr, Huard or Favre (yes, I said it -- he is one of the worst in the league right now) at QB, then I could understand the reaction. In fact, I would be in a state of panic as well. But we don't.

I'd also like to point out that there are 10 NFL teams with really bad QBs starting for them this week. By comparison (and I can't believe I'm saying this), every Redskin fan should get down on their knees and thank god for #8.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about Brunell's capabilities, I guess. I'm not in panic mode, but I am very frustrated by Brunell's play and have been for some time.

But enough about my opinion. You'd be very interested to hear what Sonny J. has to say about Brunell, I would assume, as would all Redskins fans. After all, if he doesn't know the QB position, then who does? A relative of mine (who knows Sonny well) actually discussed Brunell's merits with ole Sonny recently. In deference to Sonny, I won't repeat what he said. Suffice it to say his indictment of Brunell was far worse than mine.

[XXVI]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Favre is on a bad team, period.

Put him on a good team and he would look much better.

Good team or not, have you seen Favre lately and all of last season? THE QB throws the INT, not the reciever.... He's done, he should have retired last year.

[budw38]

My point is that only a few Qb,s are capable of winning games without a great running game . We need to run in order to set up play action . And I would point to our struggles in third and 4 Plus yds is not very good . I agree that he needs more time , and that will come with a strong running game . Very few teams can win a Championship throwing first . You may be correct saying that Brunell can pass for 4,000 yds , but we will not win if we throw it that much , He will get hit too many times and none of our Wr's are going to hold up if they are getiing hit that often , we do not have 210 lb Wr's. I don't want 3 yds and a cloud of dust , I just believe we HAVE to run in order to win , and I think we can .

[budw38]

Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

we will see i hope your right but i wouldnt bet on it. Listen were all skins fans but maybe i have stop drinking the Danny Coolaid, i have seen the real world

What up boy ! We need to stick with that running game , Don't ya think ! I say ,, RUN ,,, RUN ,,, RUN some more , when they bring there safeties up ,,, go deep !!!

[budw38]

Hopefully we will run more , dictate to the defence , when they walk their safeties up , make them pay for it going over the top ! Im sure our defence would also like us to run and control the clock .

[cowboykiller89]

Originally Posted by LadyT

All I know is what I see and what I see is that the weakest link on the offense is QB and has been for some time. It's a sad state of affairs when all you can credit the QB with is two games in a 16-game season. I'll repeat - he's rarely if ever the reason we win games and, for a QB, that's pathetic. I don't want a QB who mostly "doesn't lose games for us". QBs should be game breakers and control the flow of the game for their team. Brunell might do that 2 or 3 games a year, at best.

Problem is - there's no one else on the bench who's ready to take us all the way right now. Campbell may become that QB, but he's untested. I've seen all I want to see of what Brunell has to offer and it is game after game where we score 9, 10, 12, maybe 16 or 17 points. Again, pathetic, given the talent that surrounds him.

Oh okay, I forgot, it was not Mark Brunell who lead the team to a 10-6 WINNING season, and not to mention the playoffs, including a win over the Bucs last year right? And all of this after such a long playoff drought which included a losing streak against the Cowboys! So are you also telling me that Mark Brunell was to blame for last week's loss? Did he not get the ball to Moss in the end zone? Was it not a perfect pass? It's not Mark's fault that Moss dropped it; that would have been the game and this discussion would not exist if Moss had held on to it!! It's not always about the quarterback, what the heck has Indianapolis done? Do they not have one of the best quarterbacks in the league with a ton of talent surrounding him as well? What have they accomplished? ZERO!!! Same goes for McNabb and the Eagles, Michael Vick and the Falcons!! You just need to learn to be patient, it's not going to happen overnight! Things will definitley get better as they get the new offensive strategy down. Look at it this way, we've already scored almost twice as many more points this season than at this same point last year; and mind you it came in a losing effort!

[CrazyCanuck]

We have bigger problems than Brunell.