It's not Brunell's fault!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he refuses to throw over the middle of the field. he refuses to throw deep. it looks like he's just out there to be out there. his numbers are more YAC inflated than most.

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

I would hope he's being ask to win, and he ain't doing that at 2-5.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

I would hope he's being ask to win, and he ain't doing that at 2-5.

Teams win, individuals don't, ask Elway?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Hog1

At a cursory glance at the numbers, it seems MB is having a better year than most. As far as "garbage time", all QB's numbers are padded with a certain amount??? As stated earlier, it's a team sport and, and this team (with VERY few exceptions) shares the wealth. Can Brunell save us? No. Is it his fault? No------------Bring on JC. 2007 is NOW

This is pretty accurate. Brunell is not going to be a savior. Unfortunately, neither is Campbell. So as long is Brunell is playing well, and we are within 2.5 games of first place, I think GW has earned the ability to right the ship over the bye week.

If he can't none of this will matter, so then I'd say, yeah, bring on Campbell.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

chicken or egg? possibly it's being asked of him because the coaching staff feels that's what's suited to his skills.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So a lot of people like to say Brunell either refuses to throw deep or is scared to, but isn't it entirely possible that's what's being asked of him? I mean, what happens if Campbell comes in and starts doing the same thing? Then what do we say?

what do we say?

what every Brunell defender on warpath has been saying when making excuses for MB. "it takes a year to learn Saunder's new offense". which i never quite understood because that meant Brunell would've mastered it by the ripe age of 37...

regardless, losing teaching this offense to Campbell is much better for us than losing teaching Brunell.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Teams win, individuals don't, ask Elway?

Yeah I know, but the QB gets the credit either way. Brunell would have been a great backup.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Hog1

At a cursory glance at the numbers, it seems MB is having a better year than most. As far as "garbage time", all QB's numbers are padded with a certain amount??? As stated earlier, it's a team sport and, and this team (with VERY few exceptions) shares the wealth. Can Brunell save us? No. Is it his fault? No------------Bring on JC. 2007 is NOW

fuck "garbage time". no really.

late in the 4th quarter if you're behind, is not "garbage time" its time you should be throwing to your playmakers to try and win the game. again, ask Elway about "garbage time".


even if it's totally hopeless to catch up, and it really is worthless to even try, how many QBs around the league get themselves in that position on a weekly basis? should we be on par with Arizona and Oakland??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by illdefined

what do we say?

what every Brunell defender on warpath has been saying when making excuses for MB. "it takes a year to learn Saunder's new offense". which i never quite understood because that meant Brunell would've mastered it by the ripe age of 37...

regardless, losing teaching this offense to Campbell is much better for us than losing teaching Brunell.

What I'm saying is suppose Campbell comes out there and he's throwing the same passes, 3 step drop and screen. And we see that whoever is at QB we're still running the same offense, then who do we blame-Gibbs, Saunders, Campbell, the O-line? All I'm saying is we all assume that Campbell is going to come in and launch bombs all game long, but isn't it entirely possible that may not be the case?

[The Zimmermans]

exactly, brunell is the perfect backup nothing more

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

is this a joke? i really hope it is.

if you can't complete deep, no one is going to keep guys out of the box. you're mistaking stats for facts. the stats are nice, but they're garbage. without the last drive, he has 160 yards for the game. he kept throwing for 4 yards when he needed 8. he refuses to throw over the middle of the field. he refuses to throw deep. it looks like he's just out there to be out there. his numbers are more YAC inflated than most.


and no, qbs on bad teams rack up a LOT more garbage time stats on winning teams.

But he did complete deep. Weren't you watching? And for your garbage time arguement, without it, he now has a ridiculously low TOP for the game, and consequently a low attempts number. I don't know if you think the Colts stopped trying or something, but I don't think garbage time should be discredited simply because the D is no longer blitzing anymore.

I enjoy your tell it like it is style, That Guy, but I'm afraid your garbage time arguement holds little water. The game is 60 minutes long, but realistically, we were dead in the water after 38. Brunell endured a few series in which he was fighting a losing battle simply because Freeney and Co. were pinning their ears back. He was playing much of the half without Portis and got killed. So I would argue that the garbage time actually should have HURT his stats overall. And with all that beating, poor pass blocking, and stiff defense, he still kept the ball out of the defenses hands and kept completeing passes.

Oh yeah, I would like to see your response to your last four sentences had someone else said them. You would probably tear them and their generalizations apart.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Yeah I know, but the QB gets the credit either way. Brunell would have been a great backup.

I would like to see him get that oppurtunity, as I like most figure this seasons done and bring on JC and 2007

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What I'm saying is suppose Campbell comes out there and he's throwing the same passes, 3 step drop and screen. And we see that whoever is at QB we're still running the same offense, then who do we blame-Gibbs, Saunders, Campbell, the O-line? All I'm saying is we all assume that Campbell is going to come in and launch bombs all game long, but isn't it entirely possible that may not be the case?

if that's the case, then wtf is saunders here? if they're not asked to throw deep in the first place, than those coaches shouldn't be running the offense. It doesn't need to be 60's raiders, but show me something instead of dump offs 5 yards short on every other 3rd down.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I would like to see him get that oppurtunity, as I like most figure this seasons done and bring on JC and 2007

I agree 100%. I bet most of the 90,000-plus will express their displeasure when Brunell runs onto the field Nov. 5.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

fuck "garbage time". no really.

late in the 4th quarter if you're behind, is not "garbage time" its time you should be throwing to your playmakers to try and win the game. again, ask Elway about "garbage time".


even if it's totally hopeless to catch up, and it really is worthless to even try, how many QBs around the league get themselves in that position on a weekly basis? should we be on par with Arizona and Oakland??

You get your guys hurt trying to win a losing battle. Moss has a hamstring injury, Randle El came up funny and we didn't even try hard to come back at the end.