Does prayer work?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

All prayers are answered. We just don't always like the answer.

Well, then I'd like to know who got my million dollars as I did not get the million I prayed for.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well, then I'd like to know who got my million dollars as I did not get the million I prayed for.

How about those six million people murdered in Nazi prison camps. Why didn't any of them pray?

Really,truly, believing that an all powerful supernatural being that's a lot smarter than you are can be convinced by your groveling to change his mind about anything important is the height of arrogance and vanity. To even entertain the notion that he cares whether you pray to him or not is to give yourself almost equal standing with Him, He doesn't need for you to tell or ask him anything. He has already planned everything and/or knows what's going to happen and should happen until the end of time, if he exists? Do you think you know something he doesn't? Have you lost it? You have no rational reason to believe that you know anything at all.
The chances of you being right about God or the afterlife, etc. is zip, zero. Maybe not that good.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Ok Mr Horse,
Let's say I'm wrong about God.
Well, I lived a life "trying" to be better and live by a high standard and I'm just dead. Heck yer just dead too and it's all over.

If you are wrong and there is a God..you have rejected Him. I'll be in Heaven with God and you'll be in eternal Hell away from God.

What if yer wrong?

Like I said I won't debate but I will make the end results clear.
Take another look my brother.

peace and Hail Skins cus this is a Skins board
mike

[MTK]

If there really is a God, would he really turn one of us away for questioning his existence? That's not a God I'd want to be with any way.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If there really is a God, would he really turn one of us away for questioning his existence? That's not a God I'd want to be with any way.

I don't think God would turn his back on one who in the course of honestly seeking the truth encountered doubts. To question is to be human. In the New Testament it says "...seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you." It's really not a question of God turning away from us as much as it is us turning away from God.

For me the whole point of this life is to seek God, everything else is secondary. (Laughter is a very close second. Laughter and the Redskins)

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think God would turn his back on one who in the course of honestly seeking the truth encountered doubts. To question is to be human. In the New Testament it says "...seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you." It's really not a question of God turning away from us as much as it is us turning away from God.

For me the whole point of this life is to seek God, everything else is secondary. (Laughter is a very close second. Laughter and the Redskins)

I agree. And to answer MattyK. Yes, if you reject God He will let you go to Hell. He gave you Free Will to accept Him and His truth or turn your back and reject Him and be eternally without Him. That's Hell.

~still can't believe this thread has not imploded. Thanks to everyone and Mods for stay very civil.

peace & prayers
mike
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[Hog1]

Hmmmm, No implosion ehhh??
..................
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Patrick Ramsey blows

NOW we'll see some action

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Hmmmm, No implosion ehhh??
..................
............
Patrick Ramsey blows

NOW we'll see some action

Spurrier was an idiot. Gibbs never gave Ramsey a chance. Peter King doesn't like us. Dan Snyder is the worst owner in the league. We'll be sub .500 this year. What did you think of my question, i was the third caller...

That should definitely do it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

I agree. And to answer MattyK. Yes, if you reject God He will let you go to Hell. He gave you Free Will to accept Him and His truth or turn your back and reject Him and be eternally without Him. That's Hell.

~still can't believe this thread has not imploded. Thanks to everyone and Mods for stay very civil.

peace & prayers
mike
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Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

[MTK]

Is questioning his existence the same as rejecting him though??

If it is oh well, hell will probably have better parties.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

Makes perfect sense to me. Nice post.

[Hog1]

[quote=Schneed10;351742]

Q1
Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

A1
It's the chance you take. The choice is yours to make! After all, it ONLY affects you.

Q2
What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

A2
Same as A1

Q3
If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

A3
That is but one of......MANY things Jesus speaks. Most importantly, the way to eternal life is through Jesus, and acceptance of him. Being a good guy will not suffice.

Q4
Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

A4
Although in your mind, I have no doubt that your own opinion of the "Heavenly Hoyle" and it's attendant rules are paramount. I don't think God shares your view................because, it's His way, or the HIGHWAY TO HELL........sing it Brian!!!!

For answers to this and other life questions like it, please consult your local King James.

[saden1]

Q2
What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

A2
It's the chance you take. The choice is yours to make! After all, it ONLY affects you.

That's pretty bad odds. You would have better chance playing Russian Roulette.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by saden1

That's pretty bad odds. You would have better chance playing Russian Roulette.

It's your choice. It ONLY affects you. If you see a plan you like better, follow it

[Schneed10]

[quote=Hog1;351765]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Q1
Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

A1
It's the chance you take. The choice is yours to make! After all, it ONLY affects you.

Q2
What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

A2
Same as A1

Q3
If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

A3
That is but one of......MANY things Jesus speaks. Most importantly, the way to eternal life is through Jesus, and acceptance of him. Being a good guy will not suffice.

Q4
Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

A4
Although in your mind, I have no doubt that your own opinion of the "Heavenly Hoyle" and it's attendant rules are paramount. I don't think God shares your view................because, it's His way, or the HIGHWAY TO HELL........sing it Brian!!!!

For answers to this and other life questions like it, please consult your local King James.

First, answers to questions one and two aren't much of an answer. I'm supposed to "take a chance" on the religion that is correct, and if I'm right I go to heaven , and if I'm wrong I go to hell? Seems ridiculous.

As for answers 3 and 4, so I'm going to be rejected from Heaven if I'm a good person but don't believe in God? What about the guy who grows up in Iraq who is a good person, but is raised Muslim. He never gets exposed to God, because where he lives humans teach of Islam and Allah. He's going to go to hell? God would thereby reject any human from heaven based mainly on their geographical location. Asians and Indians tend not to believe in God, they mostly follow Buddhism and Hinduism. People in the middle east tend to be Islamic. That doesn't seem like a gracious and just God to me - in fact it sounds almost racist.

You're telling me that God would send anyone to hell who doesn't believe in him, without even considering the fact that people China and India, which comprise 40% of the Earth's population, never even have the opportunity to accept God because it's not taught in their homes?

Makes no sense to me.