Its time for joe to step down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

First off SC, every week I jump on the players. But I said I'm tired of excuses. And when week in and week out we have clock management issues, questionable play calling, and basic fundamental breakdowns, and all we do is say, "well if this and if that..." IF WHAT?? We didn't get it done AGAIN, we didn't close out a game we had in hand AGAIN, and at some point that has to fall squarely in the lap of the coaching staff. It's the same shit over and over again. And it's been that way for 3+ years.

But isn't blaming the coaching staff the same type of excuse as blaming the players? It's just based on far less evidence.

[GiantsSuck703]

Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.

There are people who recognize the good and bad aspects of this team. There are people who know we are not horrible or great, but somewhere in between. But when you make statements like the above one, you are opening yourself up to harsh attacks.

I find it interesting that the anti-Kool Aid crowd thinks that they are somehow more perceptive than the Kool-Aid drinkers. Wrong. They are just as delusional as some of the Kool-Aid drinkers, they just happen to go to the other extreme. The Kool-Aid crowd supposedly thinks we are a great team and the anti-Kool Aid crowd acts like we are 0-9. It's kind of sad and funny at the same time.

By the way, if you like the forum good. If you don't like the forum, do something different. Why bitch about the site but continue to post here? That's about as dumb as whining about a team constantly, talking about how painful it is to watch the team, cursing every coach and player on the team, but continuing to watch them. I swear that many members of the anti-Kool aid crowd are closet S&M, leather-wearing slaves who just want another self-inflicted beating.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

There are people who recognize the good and bad aspects of this team. There are people who know we are not horrible or great, but somewhere in between. But when you make statements like the above one, you are opening yourself up to harsh attacks.

I find it interesting that the anti-Kool Aid crowd thinks that they are somehow more perceptive than the Kool-Aid drinkers. Wrong. They are just as delusional as some of the Kool-Aid drinkers, they just happen to go to the other extreme. It's kind of sad and funny at the same time.

By the way, if you like the forum good. If you don't like the forum, do something different. Why bitch about the site but continue to post here? That's about as dumb as whining about a team constantly, talking about how painful it is to watch the team, cursing every coach and player on the team, but continuing to watch them. I swear that many members of the anti-Kool aid crowd are closet S&M, leather-wearing slaves who just want another self-inflicted beating.

Amazing, I disagree with the Kool-aid drinkers and all of a sudden im not a true fan. We beat the Cardinals by 3 feet, if Rackers field goal by some sort of a miracle doesnt go 3 feet wide, we lose. The Jets hit a huge play in overtime and Jerrico Cotchery drops a wideopen pass to put them in field goal range to win the game. And we had to go to overtime to beat a team that is widely considered to be the worst in the league in the Miami Dolphins, what did I say in my last post that was wrong. I swear that many members of the Kool-aid crowd are middle aged men wearing there redskins pajamas, holding on so tight to there 1992 superbowl wheaties box that they cant see whats going on right in front of there eyes.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Amazing, I disagree with the Kool-aid drinkers and all of a sudden im not a true fan. We beat the Cardinals by 3 feet, if Rackers field goal by some sort of a miracle doesnt go 3 feet wide, we lose. The Jets hit a huge play in overtime and Jerrico Cotchery drops a wideopen pass to put them in field goal range to win the game. And we had to go to overtime to beat a team that is widely considered to be the worst in the league in the Miami Dolphins, what did I say in my last post that was wrong. I swear that many members of the Kool-aid crowd are middle aged men wearing there redskins pajamas, holding on so tight to there 1992 superbowl wheaties box that they cant see whats going on right in front of there eyes.

I didn't say you weren't a fan. I said that I don't understand why someone who does nothing but complain about a team, hates watching the games, bashes a team's win, and hates just about everything that is related to the team would actually continue to watch the team.

Second, "woulda coulda shoulda" goes both ways. The anti-Kool Aid crowd uses that expression when members of the Kool Aid crowd talks about how we would have beaten the Packers if..... Yet those same people manage to say that we would have lost the game to X team IF. Those sort of mental gymnastics make my head hurt.

But, whatever, if it makes you feel good to bitch about this site and this team, have at it.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I didn't say you weren't a fan. I said that I don't understand why someone who does nothing but complain about a team, hates watching the games, bashes a team's win, and hates just about everything that is related to the team would actually continue to watch the team.

Second, "woulda coulda shoulda" goes both ways. The anti-Kool Aid crowd uses that expression when members of the Kool Aid crowd talks about how we would have beaten the Packers if..... Yet those same people manage to say that we would have lost the game to X team IF. Those sort of mental gymnastics make my head hurt.

But, whatever, if it makes you feel good to bitch about this site and this team, have at it.

Yeah well I was also here defending Gibbs when we the players let us down in the Packers game, dont take me as a "I hate the Redskins type of fan" I love this team with a passion, but they continue to rip my heart out year after year and Im sorry if I feel like the fans deserve a little more.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

There are people who recognize the good and bad aspects of this team. There are people who know we are not horrible or great, but somewhere in between. But when you make statements like the above one, you are opening yourself up to harsh attacks.

I find it interesting that the anti-Kool Aid crowd thinks that they are somehow more perceptive than the Kool-Aid drinkers. Wrong. They are just as delusional as some of the Kool-Aid drinkers, they just happen to go to the other extreme. The Kool-Aid crowd supposedly thinks we are a great team and the anti-Kool Aid crowd acts like we are 0-9. It's kind of sad and funny at the same time.

By the way, if you like the forum good. If you don't like the forum, do something different. Why bitch about the site but continue to post here? That's about as dumb as whining about a team constantly, talking about how painful it is to watch the team, cursing every coach and player on the team, but continuing to watch them. I swear that many members of the anti-Kool aid crowd are closet S&M, leather-wearing slaves who just want another self-inflicted beating.

I'm VERY anti-Kool Aid, but I'm not a moron. I know I'm a devoted fan, but I don't have blind "in Joe we trust" faith either. It's not working, it's obvious, and I'm tired of excuses. Sure we've been dinged up, but we've also blown a few games we had locked up. Injuries are not the reason we're where we are now. We have above average talent, and below average performances, and a coaching staff that's not getting it done. We're 26-31 in the last 3+ seasons. If they're getting it done, the record sure doesn't show it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm VERY anti-Kool Aid, but I'm not a moron. I know I'm a devoted fan, but I don't have blind "in Joe we trust" faith either. It's not working, it's obvious, and I'm tired of excuses. Sure we've been dinged up, but we've also blown a few games we had locked up. Injuries are not the reason we're where we are now. We have above average talent, and below average performances, and a coaching staff that's not getting it done. We're 26-31 in the last 3+ seasons. If they're getting it done, the record sure doesn't show it.

I wouldn't put you in with the anti-Kool Aid crowd. You are highly critical of the team, but, unlike the anti-Kool Aid crowd, you explain why in a very rational thoughtful way. I have never seen you say anything like "this teem is the woresest teem in the hole wurld." I'm all for differing opinions, so long as they are expressed in a way that is actually interesting and informative.

[70Chip]

Since Gibbs is not going to be fired, one has to assume that threads like these are started largely for the purpose of generating a defensive response. Then the perpetrators throw up their hands and exclaim, "How dare you question my loyalty". It's eerily familiar somehow.

Gibbs is to blame for part of it, though. He has allowed the perception to flourish that anytime we run it's because he's interfering with Saunders playcalling. If he is, he's being pretty subtle about it, because I don't ever see him saying "Boo" to either Saunders through the headset or to Bill Lazor on the sideline who talks to Campbell. The only person he seems to speak with is Gregg Williams. And, Saunders doesn't really seem like the type that would shoot down such a misperception by the press if he thought it would allow him to escape the blame for any mistakes the team makes. He'll probably collect his doe and shuffle off to the next gig with his genius tag only slightly tarnished.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Since Gibbs is not going to be fired, one has to assume that threads like these are started largely for the purpose of generating a defensive response. Then the perpetrators throw up their hands and exclaim, "How dare you question my loyalty". It's eerily familiar somehow.

Gibbs is to blame for part of it, though. He has allowed the perception to flourish that anytime we run it's because he's interfering with Saunders playcalling. If he is, he's being pretty subtle about it, because I don't ever see him saying "Boo" to either Saunders through the headset or to Bill Lazor on the sideline who talks to Campbell. The only person he seems to speak with is Gregg Williams. And, Saunders doesn't really seem like the type that would shoot down such a misperception by the press if he thought it would allow him to escape the blame for any mistakes the team makes. He'll probably collect his doe and shuffle off to the next gig with his genius tag only slightly tarnished.

Exactly! You're obviously looking at all of this through logical reasoning.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Since Gibbs is not going to be fired, one has to assume that threads like these are started largely for the purpose of generating a defensive response. Then the perpetrators throw up their hands and exclaim, "How dare you question my loyalty". It's eerily familiar somehow.

Gibbs is to blame for part of it, though. He has allowed the perception to flourish that anytime we run it's because he's interfering with Saunders playcalling. If he is, he's being pretty subtle about it, because I don't ever see him saying "Boo" to either Saunders through the headset or to Bill Lazor on the sideline who talks to Campbell. The only person he seems to speak with is Gregg Williams. And, Saunders doesn't really seem like the type that would shoot down such a misperception by the press if he thought it would allow him to escape the blame for any mistakes the team makes. He'll probably collect his doe and shuffle off to the next gig with his genius tag only slightly tarnished.

Threads like this have the same purpose as threads like "$hit the refs fucked us in this one." Or better yet, threads like "Hurry, everyone get your redskins thongs on cuz it'll bring us better luck in the second half." The goal is to generate discussion now matter how assanine and pointless it may seem to some folks - in this case, a discussion about alternatives to Gibbs.

Its not as though the redskins team and coaches read this forum to gauge fan perception and feel sleighted and depressed if we question calls, players, or the competency of the coach himself.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.

No, it's more like those "fans" who only come out and post just to bash the team when they lose, but are miles away from the warpath when the Redskins win. This has been evidenced time and time again, season after season. Then they wonder why the rest of us who are here through thick and thin question their support for this team.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

No, it's more like those "fans" who only come out and post just to bash the team when they lose, but are miles away from the warpath when the Redskins win. This has been evidenced time and time again, season after season. Then they wonder why the rest of us who are here through thick and thin question their support for this team.

Simple reason for the large turnout after a loss. There's a lot more to talk about if we lose. If we win, show me the highlights and a let me post a few superlatives for Portis or Cooley, and that's it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Simple reason for the large turnout after a loss. There's a lot more to talk about if we lose. If we win, show me the highlights and a let me post a few superlatives for Portis or Cooley, and that's it.

That's screwed up. You find more pleasure in talking about this team when we lose as opposed to when we win. This is basically what you've just said.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

That's screwed up. You find more pleasure in talking about this team when we lose as opposed to when we win. This is basically what you've just said.

Yes - I find the discussions a lot more interesting after a loss. Interesting to hear perspectives on what needs fixing, who should be cut, how different the playcalling should've been, etc.