Gov. Spitzer Linked to Prostitution Ring

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And you took offense to me saying that you'd have reacted differently if this was a Republican?

Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You assumed I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".

If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.

If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.

Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.

[BleedBurgundy]

To me, this is a non-issue. I just don't see what the big deal is. Now his wife may have an entirely different perspective, but I don't think the public has any cause for concern about his abilityto perform the duties of his office because he paid for sex with a high priced hooker. Again, like others have said... if this guy wasn't a politician, no one ever hears of this. He's probably not even charged. I'm a lot more concerned with the actions of politicians while they're carrying out the responsibilities of their office as opposed to basically "scratching an itch" on their own time. What a waste of everyone's time...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?

Yeah but his wife was his classmate at Harvard Law. Maybe he was the better student, but I think we need to give the Spitz some credit for having a little game on this one. It wasn't like he married his secretary.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

I am sure it is just the opposite on the Fox "news". Besides the real reason for the press to mention over and over again that a republican got caught with his pants down, when it happens, is that every year the GOP runs on a platform of "family values".

So you're admitting we shouldn't expect much morality from Democrats, so when they do things like this, we should chalk it up to expected behavior?

I guess that's how Clinton survived all of his lies, crimes and infidelities and is even getting a second chance through his wife...he already had a track record of it when we elected him the FIRST time, so we just said "that's Bill being Bill."

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You assumed I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".

If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.

If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.

Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.

What you don't understand is no matter what your personal views of weather this should be illegal it is illegal in todays world. What he has done is compromised his job and left himself open to black male because of what he did. What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What you don't understand is no matter what your personal views of weather this should be illegal it is illegal in todays world. What he has done is compromised his job and left himself open to black male because of what he did. What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.

which black male? Denzel, or Samuel L?

[SmootSmack]

LOL. Good catch.

Not knowing your homonyms hurts

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Buster

So you're admitting we shouldn't expect much morality from Democrats, so when they do things like this, we should chalk it up to expected behavior?

I guess that's how Clinton survived all of his lies, crimes and infidelities and is even getting a second chance through his wife...he already had a track record of it when we elected him the FIRST time, so we just said "that's Bill being Bill."

But again sex is not illegal. Clinton's blow job may have offended you, but the majority of this country saw it as nothing more than a political based attack.(thus his 90% plus approval rating)

And you can try to twist my words on what I said about morality, but I stand by the fact that the GOP plays the morality card to appeal to the Christan conservatives, but usually these "morals" are more about fear and hate. Bush basically won in 2004 on the "issue" of gay marriage.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Man there a lot of ifs and maybes in there.

Had Spitzer misused his powers or committed a major crime in connection to this, than he should receive punishment. I already said that if he committed a real crime he should receive the max sentence. But not the least bit of what you said has come out.

I would imagine that there are far more of these high services than people think. In my work I have seen more than my share of these girls and their high end clients. The chance of him getting blackmailed is probably less likely than if he was just cheating on his wife. These professionals know where their money comes from and that secrecy is in their best interest.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Man there a lot of ifs and maybes in there.

Had Spitzer misused his powers or committed a major crime in connection to this, than he should receive punishment. I already said that if he committed a real crime he should receive the max sentence. But not the least bit of what you said has come out.

I would imagine that there are far more of these high services than people think. In my work I have seen more than my share of these girls and their high end clients. The chance of him getting blackmailed is probably less likely than if he was just cheating on his wife. These professionals know where their money comes from and that secrecy is in their best interest.

Sorry, I missed the memo - when exactly is a crime not a crime? When am I allowed to say - "Sorry officer, I know the law says it's a crime, but, hey, we both know it's not a REAL crime." ? I can't wait to use that on my next parking ticket.

While enforcement of crimes is sometimes (and, admittedly, more often then is acceptable) uneven, a crime is a crime is a crime. Further, it is the chief executive (whether mayor, governor or president) who is charged with enforcing the penalties for those crimes. To assert that such an individual should not be held accountable for violating the laws he/she is charged with enforcing undermines the rule of law.

In this particular case, the chief executive conspired to avoid detection both by use of the banking system and by avoiding the security officers provided to the chief executive (and who's duty is both to the individual who occupies that office and, on behalf of the state's citizens, to the office itself). The purpose of his avoiding detection was participate in an illegal business operation that, in of itself, was a conspiracy to break the very laws Spitzer was charged with enforcing.

Add to this, the hypocrisy element and Spitzer is simply getting his justifiable due.

Sucks when the karma train rams you in the ass.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, I missed the memo - when exactly is a crime not a crime? When am I allowed to say - "Sorry officer, I know the law says it's a crime, but, hey, we both know it's not a REAL crime." ? I can't wait to use that on my next parking ticket.

While enforcement of crimes is sometimes (and, admittedly, more often then is acceptable) uneven, a crime is a crime is a crime. Further, it is the chief executive (whether mayor, governor or president) who is charged with enforcing the penalties for those crimes. To assert that such an individual should not be held accountable for violating the laws he/she is charged with enforcing undermines the rule of law.

In this particular case, the chief executive conspired to avoid detection both by use of the banking system and by avoiding the security officers provided to the chief executive (and who's duty is both to the individual who occupies that office and, on behalf of the state's citizens, to the office itself). The purpose of his avoiding detection was participate in an illegal business operation that, in of itself, was a conspiracy to break the very laws Spitzer was charged with enforcing.

Add to this, the hypocrisy element and Spitzer is simply getting his justifiable due.

Sucks when the karma train rams you in the ass.

Game. Set. Match

[dmek25]

not to change the subject, but since his wife is available, anyone have a cell number where i can reach her? i think she is pretty hot

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, I missed the memo - when exactly is a crime not a crime? When am I allowed to say - "Sorry officer, I know the law says it's a crime, but, hey, we both know it's not a REAL crime." ? I can't wait to use that on my next parking ticket.

While enforcement of crimes is sometimes (and, admittedly, more often then is acceptable) uneven, a crime is a crime is a crime. Further, it is the chief executive (whether mayor, governor or president) who is charged with enforcing the penalties for those crimes. To assert that such an individual should not be held accountable for violating the laws he/she is charged with enforcing undermines the rule of law.

In this particular case, the chief executive conspired to avoid detection both by use of the banking system and by avoiding the security officers provided to the chief executive (and who's duty is both to the individual who occupies that office and, on behalf of the state's citizens, to the office itself). The purpose of his avoiding detection was participate in an illegal business operation that, in of itself, was a conspiracy to break the very laws Spitzer was charged with enforcing.

Add to this, the hypocrisy element and Spitzer is simply getting his justifiable due.

Sucks when the karma train rams you in the ass.

Ok, if a crime is a crime is a crime, and everyone should be prosecuted evenly, then they also must be punished evenly as well. If you or I were busted "paying for it" we'd get whatever level of crime this is (misdemeanor?) and pay the fine for a first offense. No one would be calling for our job... I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions, but I think him losing his job is a bit much. That said, how was his performance on the job?

[Hog1]

It's just like your mama told you...........to much of a good thing...............will get your ass kicked out of office!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

not to change the subject, but since his wife is available, anyone have a cell number where i can reach her? i think she is pretty hot

The time is right D.
She is probably looking to punish him, and you might be in the right spot??