Official Cut Day Discussion Thread

[SBXVII]

Matty....I think Skinsfan was talking about Kelly who was and still is injured. He tried to practice Thurs. prior to the game and his knee swelled. It could still take weeks before he's cleared to play.

Frost needed to go. He flashed in preseason all the time but played half-a@@ during the season.

To me Mason is the big supprise. Everyone raves about Rock but he actually sucks. Everyone asks how does Mason contribute? He's not playing several positions. I say the same about Rock. He only plays ST's. Oh, we call him a RB but he runs nothing but the kick offs. Everytime he was used as a RB he ran more East/West then North/South. I will give you guys the one 75 yrd run. He got lucky because he usually fumbles also atleast once in a game. Plus he's as old as Betts and Portis. I thought I read or heard they all came out of the same draft class. Mason was our ..."Getting younger" RB that we needed.

Tyon was simply BAD. We could have gotten rid of him for McMullen. Kept McMullen until Kelly got better then let McMullen go. Hell, I guarentee if we cut Tryon this weekend he would not have been picked up by any other team. If he showed that much promis we could have brought him pack for practice sqauad.

Kelly should haved been put on the PUP list until he was 100% and able to practice. Tryon should have been cut. This would have enabled the team to keep McMullen, Mason then brought Tryon back for the learning curve on the practice squad if they liked him so much. McMullen could have helped this team for now until Kelly got better and was able to play. I'm a Mason fan I'll admit and my opinion is skewed, but Mason showed more RB skills then Rock did. I'll admit Mason showed nothing on ST's. But,...we still have Betts who actually did the job before Rock did it and actually did it better. We also have Randel El, Thrash who did the job before Rock, and what happened to Thomas who was a kick returner gu-ru in college? I saw him catch the ball and run 5-10yrds and run into his blocker and stop. ...and then get tackled. LOL. Everytime. LOL.

[MTK]

I'm guessing since McMullen was cut they don't anticipate Kelly's knee being a long term problem. Still, I am bit surprised we're going with 5 WRs considering the two rookies are very behind schedule.

[SBXVII]

Totally agree Matty.

[SBXVII]

Someone asked and was not answered....when do we get to pick the 8-10 players back up for practice squad? Mon.?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So you want to put Thomas on PUP even though he's not injured and I doubt the league would let that fly to start with, lose him until week 6, and then try to continue to develop his progress as a rookie at that time? He's already behind, and you want to put him further behind?

Sorry but that just makes no sense.

Here is what I'm saying. Neither Kelly or Thomas have done shit this whole pre season. I'm not saying cut them cause I know that isn't going to happen. But right now they are totally useless in helping us beat NY. Kelly hasn't even gotten on the field in a game yet. Thomas just looks lost out there, he simply isn't ready to play a regular season game. I assume that you agree with me that Billy M. had a better pre season than both of them. So why cut the guy, even though he is a jouneymen, when he out performed both of the top picks?? Somehow I find a way to keep him on the team. He knows the offense and he performed well in pre season games. Total BS move IMO.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If there are a couple of moves I make today, it's cut Tryon and sign Deltha O'Neal also, cut Rob Jackson and sign Jerome McDougle.

Jackson has showed some abillity to rush the passer. IMO he is a keeper. McDougle is a mess and who goes if we bring in O'Neal?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Here is what I'm saying. Neither Kelly or Thomas have done shit this whole pre season. I'm not saying cut them cause I know that isn't going to happen. But right now they are totally useless in helping us beat NY. Kelly hasn't even gotten on the field in a game yet. Thomas just looks lost out there, he simply isn't ready to play a regular season game. I assume that you agree with me that Billy M. had a better pre season than both of them. So why cut the guy, even though he is a jouneymen, when he out performed both of the top picks?? Somehow I find a way to keep him on the team. He knows the offense and he performed well in pre season games. Total BS move IMO.

I would have liked to see us keep 6 WRs. But I can't agree with bailing on Thomas or Kelly by stashing them on IR or PUP. They're not going to get better by sitting. It's going to be a trial by fire for both of them. That's the bed we made by drafting two rookie WRs.

[SBXVII]

Matty I see no reason to bail on them. I was suggesting putting Kelly on pup until he can actually practice w/o having further knee swelling or injuring his knee further. Thomas can play and practice. I agree with trial by fire but Kelly is not healthy for the trial by fire.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Matty I see no reason to bail on them. I was suggesting putting Kelly on pup until he can actually practice w/o having further knee swelling or injuring his knee further. Thomas can play and practice. I agree with trial by fire but Kelly is not healthy for the trial by fire.

Guess it all depends on what the team doctors say about Kelly. Some swelling is to be expected when you're coming off surgery.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Such as?

The part about the draft not looking so good. Let's face it. Kelly and Thomas were drafted to help us this year. So far it doesn't look very good for this year. When two of your top picks can't get on the field then it doesn't look good. Then when one gets on the field he doesn't look like he belongs. But it's very early and I guess we all need to be patient, including myself. But when I see the kid from Cal having an outstanding camp for Philly, and it looks like he's going to be a real good player it makes me wonder. Did we really take the best guys on the draft board? Or did we just take big WR's who we think will help us in the red zone? I guess time will tell.

[GMScud]

I woulda PUP-ed Kelly and kept McMullen on the active roster. Give Kelly 6 weeks or whatever it is to make sure that knee is 100%. He can still practice some and get all the mental reps, and I think McMullen earned a shot too. I just don't want to see Kelly's knee become a nagging issue.

I'm concerned about our health all over the place.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The part about the draft not looking so good. Let's face it. Kelly and Thomas were drafted to help us this year. So far it doesn't look very good for this year. When two of your top picks can't get on the field then it doesn't look good. Then when one gets on the field he doesn't look like he belongs. But it's very early and I guess we all need to be patient, including myself. But when I see the kid from Cal having an outstanding camp for Philly, and it looks like he's going to be a real good player it makes me wonder. Did we really take the best guys on the draft board? Or did we just take big WR's who we think will help us in the red zone? I guess time will tell.

I think Fred Davis will no doubt develop into a good player. But the odds that both Kelly and Thomas turn into great contributors are against us. And the odds that they both contribute this year are pretty remote at this point, IMO. Zorn hasn't exactly been tight lipped about his disappointment thus far surrounding those two. You can tell Thomas is just going to take some time to develop. He was junior college transfer to Mich St and only had one good season in the offensively challenged Big 10.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The part about the draft not looking so good. Let's face it. Kelly and Thomas were drafted to help us this year. So far it doesn't look very good for this year. When two of your top picks can't get on the field then it doesn't look good. Then when one gets on the field he doesn't look like he belongs. But it's very early and I guess we all need to be patient, including myself. But when I see the kid from Cal having an outstanding camp for Philly, and it looks like he's going to be a real good player it makes me wonder. Did we really take the best guys on the draft board? Or did we just take big WR's who we think will help us in the red zone? I guess time will tell.

I disagree that the draft doesn't look good, that the WR's were drafted to help this year and that it doesn't look good if your top picks can't get on the field.

1) Other than Tryon, I think this draft looks VERY promising.

2) Let me clarify - Santanna and Randle-el were No.1 and No.2 going into the draft and coming out of it. Rookie WR's are in many ways like rookie QB's. B/c of the complexities of their position at the pro level, they will almost inevitably look lost in a disciplined system. Rare is the rookie WR that makes much of an impact in his first year. Quite frankly, I expect ONE of them to be a bust. If one ends up being a quality WR able to be a quality No. 1, then we did well.

3) As for top picks not making the field, IMO that would be true if it was a RB, DE, or DB these are positions that seem to be more talent than scheme driven. (RB: There's the hole, run through it; DE: There' the QB, sack him; DB: There's the WR cover him). OL, QB, LB and WR seem like positions that, unless the player is star quality talented, require time to learn in order to be good. I am betting that one of these guys ends the season as our No.3. If not, I will be disappointed.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Jackson has showed some abillity to rush the passer. IMO he is a keeper. McDougle is a mess and who goes if we bring in O'Neal?

McDougle is an experienced veteran who had a great camp, Tryon get s the chopping block and O'Neal gets signed in his place. Then sign Jackson to the PS.

[CRedskinsRule]

How is anyone's 6th receiver, as much as I would have liked to keep McMullen, going to help us in the NYG game? I think Zorn is very comfortable with the offensive talent going in, and I think he and Vinny probably discussed every pick. Do you think Gibbs had complete say over Jack Kent Cooke? I doubt it. It's now Zorn and the offense's time to show where we sit. We were a playoff team(barely) last year, and I really think we have the talent to field the 40-45 active guys and compete each week.