Official Cut Day Discussion Thread

WaldSkins · 08-31-2008, 01:08 AM

I dont know how we could afford to cut Mann AND Mcmullen. We only have 5 wr, and Kelly is injured. How are we going to spread the field?

TheSmurfs22 · 08-31-2008, 11:14 AM

Shame that Mason got cut but I think it was a case that there just wasn't room for him.
Glad that Brooks is our punter. He will have his ups and downs, but I think overall he will be more consistent than Frost.

SBXVII · 08-31-2008, 11:56 AM

Matty....I think Skinsfan was talking about Kelly who was and still is injured. He tried to practice Thurs. prior to the game and his knee swelled. It could still take weeks before he's cleared to play.

Frost needed to go. He flashed in preseason all the time but played half-a@@ during the season.

To me Mason is the big supprise. Everyone raves about Rock but he actually sucks. Everyone asks how does Mason contribute? He's not playing several positions. I say the same about Rock. He only plays ST's. Oh, we call him a RB but he runs nothing but the kick offs. Everytime he was used as a RB he ran more East/West then North/South. I will give you guys the one 75 yrd run. He got lucky because he usually fumbles also atleast once in a game. Plus he's as old as Betts and Portis. I thought I read or heard they all came out of the same draft class. Mason was our ..."Getting younger" RB that we needed.

Tyon was simply BAD. We could have gotten rid of him for McMullen. Kept McMullen until Kelly got better then let McMullen go. Hell, I guarentee if we cut Tryon this weekend he would not have been picked up by any other team. If he showed that much promis we could have brought him pack for practice sqauad.

Kelly should haved been put on the PUP list until he was 100% and able to practice. Tryon should have been cut. This would have enabled the team to keep McMullen, Mason then brought Tryon back for the learning curve on the practice squad if they liked him so much. McMullen could have helped this team for now until Kelly got better and was able to play. I'm a Mason fan I'll admit and my opinion is skewed, but Mason showed more RB skills then Rock did. I'll admit Mason showed nothing on ST's. But,...we still have Betts who actually did the job before Rock did it and actually did it better. We also have Randel El, Thrash who did the job before Rock, and what happened to Thomas who was a kick returner gu-ru in college? I saw him catch the ball and run 5-10yrds and run into his blocker and stop. ...and then get tackled. LOL. Everytime. LOL.

MTK · 08-31-2008, 11:57 AM

I'm guessing since McMullen was cut they don't anticipate Kelly's knee being a long term problem. Still, I am bit surprised we're going with 5 WRs considering the two rookies are very behind schedule.

SBXVII · 08-31-2008, 12:02 PM

Totally agree Matty.

SBXVII · 08-31-2008, 12:05 PM

Someone asked and was not answered....when do we get to pick the 8-10 players back up for practice squad? Mon.?

SBXVII · 08-31-2008, 12:16 PM

Matty I see no reason to bail on them. I was suggesting putting Kelly on pup until he can actually practice w/o having further knee swelling or injuring his knee further. Thomas can play and practice. I agree with trial by fire but Kelly is not healthy for the trial by fire.

MTK · 08-31-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Matty I see no reason to bail on them. I was suggesting putting Kelly on pup until he can actually practice w/o having further knee swelling or injuring his knee further. Thomas can play and practice. I agree with trial by fire but Kelly is not healthy for the trial by fire.

Guess it all depends on what the team doctors say about Kelly. Some swelling is to be expected when you're coming off surgery.

CRedskinsRule · 08-31-2008, 01:25 PM

How is anyone's 6th receiver, as much as I would have liked to keep McMullen, going to help us in the NYG game? I think Zorn is very comfortable with the offensive talent going in, and I think he and Vinny probably discussed every pick. Do you think Gibbs had complete say over Jack Kent Cooke? I doubt it. It's now Zorn and the offense's time to show where we sit. We were a playoff team(barely) last year, and I really think we have the talent to field the 40-45 active guys and compete each week.

JWsleep · 08-31-2008, 02:11 PM

Comment on the alleged draft failure regarding Thomas and Kelly.

One, they've both been injured. Hard to learn and progress in the pro-game (especially in one with the WCO) if you can't take reps.

Two, given the last point, why are y'all (and of course, not all y'all), why are you ready to call them failures? My guess: You are (perhaps rightly!) suspicious of Vinny. Fine. But this year they went draft heavy as opposed to FA heavy. This is one of the down sides of going with the draft. A little patience please!

Three, Do you really want them to bring in a has-been vet cast off who might help us in the beginning of this year, but adds NOTHING to the future of this team? Now, Thomas and Kelly might be busts, but there is clearly POTENTIAL there. No potential in a vet beyond a few games this year. Is that good FO policy?

Four, I'm sorry folks, but Billy McMullin is not that good. He's not bad either, and he played well in preseason. But is there really a great upside with him? Maybe, but it's a long shot. We didn't keep him, in any event, because we had worries elsewhere. It's not McMullin vs. Thomas/Kelly. It's McMullin vs. the needs at Dline, DB, Oline, etc. Now, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see another WR on the team or even Billy McM during the year as play and health dictate. But right now, we've got other issues.

Ruhskins · 08-31-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Comment on the alleged draft failure regarding Thomas and Kelly.

One, they've both been injured. Hard to learn and progress in the pro-game (especially in one with the WCO) if you can't take reps.

Two, given the last point, why are y'all (and of course, not all y'all), why are you ready to call them failures? My guess: You are (perhaps rightly!) suspicious of Vinny. Fine. But this year they went draft heavy as opposed to FA heavy. This is one of the down sides of going with the draft. A little patience please!

Three, Do you really want them to bring in a has-been vet cast off who might help us in the beginning of this year, but adds NOTHING to the future of this team? Now, Thomas and Kelly might be busts, but there is clearly POTENTIAL there. No potential in a vet beyond a few games this year. Is that good FO policy?

Four, I'm sorry folks, but Billy McMullin is not that good. He's not bad either, and he played well in preseason. But is there really a great upside with him? Maybe, but it's a long shot. We didn't keep him, in any event, because we had worries elsewhere. It's not McMullin vs. Thomas/Kelly. It's McMullin vs. the needs at Dline, DB, Oline, etc. Now, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see another WR on the team or even Billy McM during the year as play and health dictate. But right now, we've got other issues.

I thnk there's a difference between developing players for the future and bring in players to help right away so the team an go back to the playoffs. Thomas and Kelly are great pick ups for the future and hopefully they will develop into a good wideout group our team can depend on. So for the goal of getting young receivers that can help the future of the team, this was a successful draft. To be honest, no one should have expected for Thomas and Kelly to come in and help our team deficiencies in offense and help them get back to the playoffs.

GMScud · 08-31-2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Comment on the alleged draft failure regarding Thomas and Kelly.

One, they've both been injured. Hard to learn and progress in the pro-game (especially in one with the WCO) if you can't take reps.

Two, given the last point, why are y'all (and of course, not all y'all), why are you ready to call them failures? My guess: You are (perhaps rightly!) suspicious of Vinny. Fine. But this year they went draft heavy as opposed to FA heavy. This is one of the down sides of going with the draft. A little patience please!

Three, Do you really want them to bring in a has-been vet cast off who might help us in the beginning of this year, but adds NOTHING to the future of this team? Now, Thomas and Kelly might be busts, but there is clearly POTENTIAL there. No potential in a vet beyond a few games this year. Is that good FO policy?

Four, I'm sorry folks, but Billy McMullin is not that good. He's not bad either, and he played well in preseason. But is there really a great upside with him? Maybe, but it's a long shot. We didn't keep him, in any event, because we had worries elsewhere. It's not McMullin vs. Thomas/Kelly. It's McMullin vs. the needs at Dline, DB, Oline, etc. Now, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see another WR on the team or even Billy McM during the year as play and health dictate. But right now, we've got other issues.

I don't think anyone is calling Kelly or Thomas busts. Impossible to do so after such a short time. But given's their injuries and what little we've seen from Thomas when healthy, McMullen gives us a stop-gap player with experience in the WCO who is the big we guy we haven't had, and still don't have with Thomas struggling and Kelly unable to play. That's why I suggested PUP-ing Kelly, and keeping McMullen for a while Kelly gets healthy and Thomas gets more comfortable. McMullen is no star, but he played very well all preseason and clearly understands the offense.

JWsleep · 08-31-2008, 02:29 PM

Don't know if this is posted elsewhere, but a nice rebuttal of Wise's BS (IMO) column this morning in the Post. From Rich Tandler's skins blog:

Rich Tandler's Real Redskins: Stirring a Frosty pot

sportscurmudgeon · 08-31-2008, 02:55 PM

There is a saying in basketball that a player is "All-airport". It means that he is very tall and looks very athletic so when he comes into town through the airport people stare at him and think he's a great basketball player - - but he really can't play...

Billy McMullen is the football version of "All-airport"...

Any NFL team that counts on him to be a difference maker is a team going nowhere.

SmootSmack · 09-01-2008, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

There is a saying in basketball that a player is "All-airport". It means that he is very tall and looks very athletic so when he comes into town through the airport people stare at him and think he's a great basketball player - - but he really can't play...

Billy McMullen is the football version of "All-airport"...

Any NFL team that counts on him to be a difference maker is a team going nowhere.

I think you and I may have been the only two here who thought he would and should be cut

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Mason	53	43.44%
Frost	4	3.28%
McMullen	54	44.26%
Mix	4	3.28%
Richardson	2	1.64%
other	5	4.10%
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08-31-2008, 01:08 AM	#1
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 42 Posts: 2,726	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread I dont know how we could afford to cut Mann AND Mcmullen. We only have 5 wr, and Kelly is injured. How are we going to spread the field? __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

08-31-2008, 11:14 AM	#2
TheSmurfs22 The Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 1,261	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Shame that Mason got cut but I think it was a case that there just wasn't room for him. Glad that Brooks is our punter. He will have his ups and downs, but I think overall he will be more consistent than Frost.

08-31-2008, 11:56 AM	#3
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Matty....I think Skinsfan was talking about Kelly who was and still is injured. He tried to practice Thurs. prior to the game and his knee swelled. It could still take weeks before he's cleared to play. Frost needed to go. He flashed in preseason all the time but played half-a@@ during the season. To me Mason is the big supprise. Everyone raves about Rock but he actually sucks. Everyone asks how does Mason contribute? He's not playing several positions. I say the same about Rock. He only plays ST's. Oh, we call him a RB but he runs nothing but the kick offs. Everytime he was used as a RB he ran more East/West then North/South. I will give you guys the one 75 yrd run. He got lucky because he usually fumbles also atleast once in a game. Plus he's as old as Betts and Portis. I thought I read or heard they all came out of the same draft class. Mason was our ..."Getting younger" RB that we needed. Tyon was simply BAD. We could have gotten rid of him for McMullen. Kept McMullen until Kelly got better then let McMullen go. Hell, I guarentee if we cut Tryon this weekend he would not have been picked up by any other team. If he showed that much promis we could have brought him pack for practice sqauad. Kelly should haved been put on the PUP list until he was 100% and able to practice. Tryon should have been cut. This would have enabled the team to keep McMullen, Mason then brought Tryon back for the learning curve on the practice squad if they liked him so much. McMullen could have helped this team for now until Kelly got better and was able to play. I'm a Mason fan I'll admit and my opinion is skewed, but Mason showed more RB skills then Rock did. I'll admit Mason showed nothing on ST's. But,...we still have Betts who actually did the job before Rock did it and actually did it better. We also have Randel El, Thrash who did the job before Rock, and what happened to Thomas who was a kick returner gu-ru in college? I saw him catch the ball and run 5-10yrds and run into his blocker and stop. ...and then get tackled. LOL. Everytime. LOL.

08-31-2008, 11:57 AM	#4
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread I'm guessing since McMullen was cut they don't anticipate Kelly's knee being a long term problem. Still, I am bit surprised we're going with 5 WRs considering the two rookies are very behind schedule. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-31-2008, 12:02 PM	#5
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Totally agree Matty.

08-31-2008, 12:05 PM	#6
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Someone asked and was not answered....when do we get to pick the 8-10 players back up for practice squad? Mon.?

08-31-2008, 12:16 PM	#7
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Matty I see no reason to bail on them. I was suggesting putting Kelly on pup until he can actually practice w/o having further knee swelling or injuring his knee further. Thomas can play and practice. I agree with trial by fire but Kelly is not healthy for the trial by fire.

08-31-2008, 01:25 PM	#9
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 59 Posts: 21,744	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread How is anyone's 6th receiver, as much as I would have liked to keep McMullen, going to help us in the NYG game? I think Zorn is very comfortable with the offensive talent going in, and I think he and Vinny probably discussed every pick. Do you think Gibbs had complete say over Jack Kent Cooke? I doubt it. It's now Zorn and the offense's time to show where we sit. We were a playoff team(barely) last year, and I really think we have the talent to field the 40-45 active guys and compete each week.

08-31-2008, 02:11 PM	#10
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Comment on the alleged draft failure regarding Thomas and Kelly. One, they've both been injured. Hard to learn and progress in the pro-game (especially in one with the WCO) if you can't take reps. Two, given the last point, why are y'all (and of course, not all y'all), why are you ready to call them failures? My guess: You are (perhaps rightly!) suspicious of Vinny. Fine. But this year they went draft heavy as opposed to FA heavy. This is one of the down sides of going with the draft. A little patience please! Three, Do you really want them to bring in a has-been vet cast off who might help us in the beginning of this year, but adds NOTHING to the future of this team? Now, Thomas and Kelly might be busts, but there is clearly POTENTIAL there. No potential in a vet beyond a few games this year. Is that good FO policy? Four, I'm sorry folks, but Billy McMullin is not that good. He's not bad either, and he played well in preseason. But is there really a great upside with him? Maybe, but it's a long shot. We didn't keep him, in any event, because we had worries elsewhere. It's not McMullin vs. Thomas/Kelly. It's McMullin vs. the needs at Dline, DB, Oline, etc. Now, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see another WR on the team or even Billy McM during the year as play and health dictate. But right now, we've got other issues. __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-31-2008, 02:29 PM	#13
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread Don't know if this is posted elsewhere, but a nice rebuttal of Wise's BS (IMO) column this morning in the Post. From Rich Tandler's skins blog: Rich Tandler's Real Redskins: Stirring a Frosty pot __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-31-2008, 02:55 PM	#14
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Official Cut Day Discussion Thread There is a saying in basketball that a player is "All-airport". It means that he is very tall and looks very athletic so when he comes into town through the airport people stare at him and think he's a great basketball player - - but he really can't play... Billy McMullen is the football version of "All-airport"... Any NFL team that counts on him to be a difference maker is a team going nowhere. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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