Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

[PWNED]

for 1001, id like to let you know, its ya boy pwned and im back.

[jrocx69]

get a pass rush and we will not need elite corners. its pretty simple

[44ever]

Originally Posted by mehtadman87

i think we should low ball him, we need to start making smart contract deals, give him less guarnateed and more incentives. give him a $2 mil bonus for not getting burned like he always does. That would be money well spent. We all know danny got money but to give out high guarenteed contract to a dude who is known to slack is just stupid

where do you get this stuff about slacking. Have you acually followed his carrier? The guy is a great talent and will only get better. Stop believing the rumors. He's for real.

Funny how we wish we had this guy or that guy but when we get a chance at something good we won't see it. This guy goes somewhere else we will regret it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

get a pass rush and we will not need elite corners. its pretty simple

Well you sort of need both.

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by Angry

My opinion (not that anybody cares) is that we obviouslly need to keep the guy. I do not know about that "at any cost" thing, but we almost cannot afford to lose him without picking up another CB else where.

Shawn Springs (as many have already pointed out) is past his prime and often injured. Many believe that he is the best corner on our team. Based on what exactly? Oh, congrats he locked down T.O. until he had to leave the game with an injury. Then Carlos picked up his slack. He is not worth his paycheck.

Carlos Rogers is (IMO) the best corner on the squad. He is even keel. He will defense any teams best reciever week in and week out. He will not get the intercecptios, but he rarely allows the big play either. The FO and others on this site should be ashamed for considering letting him go for draft picks. In reality you would not get more than 2 picks for the guy, and you would have to use one of them to attempt to replace him. It's not worth it.

Fred Smoot...I have a soft spot for Smoot, I really do. The reality is however that he is not the CB he used to be. The only reason that he should stay is because of depth and experience. I would hate to think what would happen if there wasn't a Fred Smoot to play in front of a Justin Tryon. Smoot may give up some plays at times but he unlike Springs can actually take the field most of the time. He can also be valuable to the team in terms of helping the younger guys out. He doesn't fly off to Texas in the middle of the week.

Justin Tryon...do not get me started. He has alot to learn and his youth alone gives him another shot at the squad in the offseason.

So as you can see if we do not keep Hall we are going to be in a world of hurt at the CB position. Especially if we trade Rogers. Everybody saw what our defense was like in the 4th quarter this past season...giving up big plays and not getting off of the field. We already have a suspect D line. If we compound that with a weaker secondary, then our defense will really be frustrating to watch when the game is on the line.

Agree with the whole thing. Haha just supporting someone not supporting ignorance. A lot of people say they hate Cerratto and then support decisions that only Vinny Cerratto would continue to make at this point. Thats the problem with him, he's like a fan running a team, he just wants big names and doesn't know how to build. but reallly good post.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by jrocx69

get a pass rush and we will not need elite corners. its pretty simple

Apparently that's the way Fred Smoot sees it nowdays. Although I tend to agree with Ruhskins. You need them both.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

You don't need "elite corners" anymore primarly because of the new pass interference and force out rules.... but you do need good corners, whether you have a pass rush or not.

Smoot is not even a good corner anymore. Tryons not either. Springs is not worth his contract. If we don't resign Hall and keep Rogers, we are going to have to address our starting corner situation whether we add a pass rush or not.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You don't need "elite corners" anymore primarly because of the new pass interference and force out rules.... but you do need good corners, whether you have a pass rush or not.

Smoot is not even a good corner anymore. Tryons not either. Springs is not worth his contract. If we don't resign Hall and keep Rogers, we are going to have to address our starting corner situation whether we add a pass rush or not.

I'm afraid we might actually find ourselves in that position if we are not careful.

[SmootSmack]

Love Smoot, but he shouldn't be expected to be more than a nickel CB at this point. That being said though, I think he played hurt a lot when others wouldn't have. Assuming he's healthy in 2009, I think he'll be a lot better.

Love Springs, but his window is probably pretty close to shut now at CB (at Safety, that's another issue). I think he's far and away our best defensive back when he's out there on the field. And I think his fragility is way overrated. But as he gets older his body can't keep up. For the current price it's hard to justify keeping him.

I thought we made a mistake with Tryon when we could have drafted what I thought were better DBs. And I wasn't impressed with him in the preseason, maybe because I had already decided I didn't like him. That said though, he did alright on special teams last year. And he got some playing time late in the year where he didn't really embarass himself or the team on D.

Still, it shouldn't be an either/or with Rogers and Hall. Ideally, they both come back

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Love Smoot, but he shouldn't be expected to be more than a nickel CB at this point. That being said though, I think he played hurt a lot when others wouldn't have. Assuming he's healthy in 2009, I think he'll be a lot better.

Love Springs, but his window is probably pretty close to shut now at CB (at Safety, that's another issue). I think he's far and away our best defensive back when he's out there on the field. And I think his fragility is way overrated. But as he gets older his body can't keep up. For the current price it's hard to justify keeping him.

I thought we made a mistake with Tryon when we could have drafted what I thought were better DBs. And I wasn't impressed with him in the preseason, maybe because I had already decided I didn't like him. That said though, he did alright on special teams last year. And he got some playing time late in the year where he didn't really embarass himself or the team on D.

Still, it shouldn't be an either/or with Rogers and Hall. Ideally, they both come back

Amen.

... still a little peeved we let Torrence go (instead of Tryon). Certainly he needed to improve but he'd come a long way IMO and showed promise. For one thing I think he was insane fast.

Questions about Springs: does he not want to play safety? Blache has mentioned the transition in a positive light but i can't remember Springs responding. Also, what's your intuition about a restructured deal: will he deal or just prefer to play elsewhere?

... last question will anyone pay Springs more than we're willing to (at the restructured price)?

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Amen.

... still a little peeved we let Torrence go (instead of Tryon). Certainly he needed to improve but he'd come a long way IMO and showed promise. For one thing I think he was insane fast.

Questions about Springs: does he not want to play safety? Blache has mentioned the transition in a positive light but i can't remember Springs responding. Also, what's your intuition about a restructured deal: will he deal or just prefer to play elsewhere?

... last question will anyone pay Springs more than we're willing to (at the restructured price)?

yeah I'm peeved about Leigh Torrnce, Ryan Clark, and Antonio Pierce ...what great minds run the Redskins...don't ya just love Vinnie and danny boy

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Amen.

... still a little peeved we let Torrence go (instead of Tryon). Certainly he needed to improve but he'd come a long way IMO and showed promise. For one thing I think he was insane fast.

Questions about Springs: does he not want to play safety? Blache has mentioned the transition in a positive light but i can't remember Springs responding. Also, what's your intuition about a restructured deal: will he deal or just prefer to play elsewhere?

... last question will anyone pay Springs more than we're willing to (at the restructured price)?

That was one of the things that annoyed me most all season. Torrence is young and has been in the system for a few years. Definitely better than Tryon at this point. I think the move was made so Vinny's draft wouldn't look worse - more pride than brains IMO.

I think Torrence is a free agent again, although with Gregg Williams taking over their D in NO, I wouldn't be surprised if they kept him. I'd like to have him back though. However, they need secondary help something terrible, so they may draft a CB high or make a big FA signing.

[SmootSmack]

I thought Torrence had made great strides last summer, but it didn't really reflect in the regular season. I think the feeling was that this was as good as Torrence was going to get. Who knows. I've heard a lot of good things about Tryon in practice and from other experts I guess you'd call them, but who knows that he'll ever be better than Torrence either.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That was one of the things that annoyed me most all season. Torrence is young and has been in the system for a few years. Definitely better than Tryon at this point. I think the move was made so Vinny's draft wouldn't look worse - more pride than brains IMO.

I think Torrence is a free agent again, although with Gregg Williams taking over their D in NO, I wouldn't be surprised if they kept him. I'd like to have him back though. However, they need secondary help something terrible, so they may draft a CB high or make a big FA signing.

What do you want to bet Grilliams would be in the market for Los if our FO is really going to shop him?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What do you want to bet Grilliams would be in the market for Los if our FO is really going to shop him?

Good call. I could see that.