What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Don't forget that Campbell was subjected to a lot of dropped passes and our receivers were less than stellar. I felt JC was reading defenses well based on his low ints.

Excuses as far as I'm concerned. I can understand poor offensive production against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, but look how the offense performed against the Lions (worst team ever and we needed a punt return to win), Rams, Bengals (Campbell was outplated by Fitzpatrick, who was running for his life all game) and 49ers.

6 INTS tells me you're throwing a lot of 5 yard passes, unless it's against 20 plus TDs. 12 points a game over the last 8 and only 151 yards in a meaningless game against the 49ers to end the season? How does the saying go? You can put lipstick on a pig...

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

A locker room hip-hip-hooray chant after the last regular season game.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

As long as the real team was the one that went 6-2 to start the season and not the one that closed out 2-6.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I prefer to think that the Skins, when healthy, were more like the 6-2 team, rather than the 2-6 team. I believe in this team for one of the first times in a while. I have a really good feeling about this season.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Excuses as far as I'm concerned. I can understand poor offensive production against the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, but look how the offense performed against the Lions (worst team ever and we needed a punt return to win), Rams, Bengals (Campbell was outplated by Fitzpatrick, who was running for his life all game) and 49ers.

6 INTS tells me you're throwing a lot of 5 yard passes, unless it's against 20 plus TDs. 12 points a game over the last 8 and only 151 yards in a meaningless game against the 49ers to end the season? How does the saying go? You can put lipstick on a pig...

I think Campbell, can, and will, step it up this year. I also think Zorn will open the playbook up. They already have twice as many plays installed as last year. I don't see how dropped passes can be construed as just an excuse. Dropped passes kill drives. The QB cannot throw the pass and then run downfield and catch it. Any way you look at it, a pass is a 50/50 proposition and if a pass is dropped, that's on the receiver, not the QB. There have been some amazing catches made in the last 2 Super Bowls that have made Manning and Big Ben look awfully good. Granted they made the throws, but without the spectacular catches, we wouldn't be constantly talking about how good they are because they won SB's. If the receivers had not of made those great plays...no ring for Manning and 1 less for Ben.

[redsk1]

JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redsk1

JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?

I would not mind an outcome where we keep Zorn and swap Holmgren for Vinny, so that Zorn is on the field and Holmgren does personnel.

[SBXVII]

Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep.
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep.
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

Awesome post, and while 13-3 is tough, it is absolutely within this team's potential. The question is how much potential becomes reality.

As for the highlighted part, even if we go 7-0 ESPN will not count us as real until mid Nov, or December until then we will be hearing how last year we went 2-6.

Bring on the season!

[Tony420]

I beleive if Zorn can guide this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs or possibly deeper, he would be able to hold off the big boys from comin in. I also deeply belive that Bringing Holmgren in to be GM is an absolute must. Something like that will keep us steady for years to come. That's what we've been missing sine Danny Boy got the team. Oh yeah, that and Super Bowl titles.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Awesome post, and while 13-3 is tough, it is absolutely within this team's potential. The question is how much potential becomes reality.

As for the highlighted part, even if we go 7-0 ESPN will not count us as real until mid Nov, or December until then we will be hearing how last year we went 2-6.

Bring on the season!

Totally agree with you now that I think of it. One of our SB runs the Skins were not even mentioned until late in the season when they finally noticed the Skins having not lost a game. I know the Skins have not had a lot to brag about but according to the media you would think they were the "Bad New Bears." No need to talk about them they will find a way to lose the season. God for bid it's Dallas, NE, Giants, GB, Seattle, or San Diego. This yr it happens to be the Eagles. I hope they shock all the pundits and implode.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Tony420

I beleive if Zorn can guide this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs or possibly deeper, he would be able to hold off the big boys from comin in. I also deeply belive that Bringing Holmgren in to be GM is an absolute must. Something like that will keep us steady for years to come. That's what we've been missing sine Danny Boy got the team. Oh yeah, that and Super Bowl titles.

This would be an interesting combination. As long as Holmgren can get the players needed for the system and only interject once and a while or when asked then we would have an aswome team.

Although I have been against Vinny for yrs I think this yr has been his best but time will tell.

[CRedskinsRule]

I am not saying that I think Holmgrem/Zorn would be a mistake, but didn't Holmgrem have GM duties stripped from him? Let him go to San Fran. barring a 6-10 or worse season, I am content to give this whole group 2 more full seasons (and I think DS would too, regardless of the boo-birds comments)

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep.
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

I love your optimism but that's quite the reach, 7-0 to start the year. I think this team has good potential, buy 13-3 potential, not too sure.

We've got 1 starting quality WR. Sure, MK and DT have potential but they haven't done squat yet.

We've got a guy that we're not sure if he's a "franchise QB" and he's in year 4 as a starter (yr 4 right?)

Oline thats getting older and we've had depth problems

There's much to like about our team too, but there are major questions none the less.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I love your optimism but that's quite the reach, 7-0 to start the year. I think this team has good potential, buy 13-3 potential, not too sure.

We've got 1 starting quality WR. Sure, MK and DT have potential but they haven't done squat yet.

We've got a guy that we're not sure if he's a "franchise QB" and he's in year 4 as a starter (yr 4 right?)

Oline thats getting older and we've had depth problems

There's much to like about our team too, but there are major questions none the less.

JC is beginning year 3 as a starter and one of the previous years was cut short by injury.

[irish]

JZ and JC are tied together. If JC plays good and the Skins improve the JZ keeps his job. IF JC plays his typical style and the Skins look like the same old team then JZ goes. Unfortunately IMO, JZ's fate rests with the performance of JC.