What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

A locker room hip-hip-hooray chant after the last regular season game.

[redsk1]

JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redsk1

JZ will need to get into the playoffs and maybe win a game to keep his job I think. We've got to remember that JZ was hired as a last resort if you can see thru all of the BS. I like JZ but he doesn't have a resume to lean on. He also inherited a core group of players that DS believes he can win w/.

I say 10-6 and playoffs JZ will be here. No playoffs, or backing into the playoffs w/ a 9-7, no JZ. If thats the case keep an eye on Shanahan. I wouldn't be upset about that.

If we do miss, i'd like for the VC experiment to end, please?

I would not mind an outcome where we keep Zorn and swap Holmgren for Vinny, so that Zorn is on the field and Holmgren does personnel.

[SBXVII]

Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep.
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep.
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

Awesome post, and while 13-3 is tough, it is absolutely within this team's potential. The question is how much potential becomes reality.

As for the highlighted part, even if we go 7-0 ESPN will not count us as real until mid Nov, or December until then we will be hearing how last year we went 2-6.

Bring on the season!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Awesome post, and while 13-3 is tough, it is absolutely within this team's potential. The question is how much potential becomes reality.

As for the highlighted part, even if we go 7-0 ESPN will not count us as real until mid Nov, or December until then we will be hearing how last year we went 2-6.

Bring on the season!

Totally agree with you now that I think of it. One of our SB runs the Skins were not even mentioned until late in the season when they finally noticed the Skins having not lost a game. I know the Skins have not had a lot to brag about but according to the media you would think they were the "Bad New Bears." No need to talk about them they will find a way to lose the season. God for bid it's Dallas, NE, Giants, GB, Seattle, or San Diego. This yr it happens to be the Eagles. I hope they shock all the pundits and implode.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Every yr teams are supposed to get better then the yr before. The teams with new HC's and offenses usually do mediocre no different then we went 8-8. I think it was a fluke that some of the teams with starting HC's did so well last yr. I too believe this is the telling yr for Zorn and perhaps Campbell. My bet is they do better then their 8-8 season but how much better is the question. Is it hard to say they could win two more games knowing the offense better and perhaps calling the plays better? No. 10-6 is not a stretch.
I believe we will be better then the other teams in our division. Why, cause Dallas lost some key players and are asking some players to step up who have not in the past. They have some big questions. They lost their #1 target. Last but not least I don't think their HC is all that good at being a HC. He's an awsome Co-ordinator but sucks as a HC. The Giants lost two offensive weapons. Who's going to battle for the ball? I see them falling to second place this yr. Everyone has the Eagles listed as taking the division. Why? I just don't see them being any better then last yr. They have one good WR who has one yr under his belt like the Skins but we have two. They picked up one WR in this yrs draft and another RB and everyone thinks they are going to the SB? I'll agree the RB may do well cause all he has to do is find the hole but we all know the WR will struggle learning the offense and getting up to speed. Next yr might be their yr. I just don't think McNabb will do it. Again. I know everytime we have gone out and spent money to get the one player who is supposed to make the difference it never happens, but I think they actually looked at what would help them this yr. Baring injuries, Our defense should by all accounts be able to get pressure. Everyone will know the system Zorn is trying to impliment better and should feel more comfortable. Zorn said he only instituted like 50 offensive plays last yr and Campbell has said or Zorn that they have implimented another 130 as of June. I think we will see a vastly improved offense this yr.

Looking at the teams we play I could see us going 7-0 by the break, but again thats winning all the games we are supposed to win ie; St. Louis (new HC and system), Detroit (new HC and system), Tampa Bay (new HC maybe system), Carolina (they always seem stagnant and not improving), KC (new HC and system). That's 5 right there. Then you have us starting out with the Giants, which I would like to open with a shocker...sorta suprise them win. Then we play the Eagles prior to the break. We beat them twice and with more offensive weapons I could see us doing it again. My cool aid say 7-0 by break. We will be in ESPN as the team to beat.

The second half of the yr gets a little tougher....
Atlanta: could be our first loss.
Denver: should be a win (new HC new system)
Dallas: should be a win. They have no real offensive threat.
Eagles: pray for a sweep.
N.O.: could be another loss.
Oakland: can't get their act together win.
Giants: awsome sweep, mostlikely loss.
Dallas: we supprise with a sweep.
Chargers: I'd love for it to be a win. we all know Norv is horrible in Dec. mostlikely loss.

By my count thats 13-3. Play offs. but we all know that would be hard to do. Plus I'm sure there will be a game in there where we should have won but lost. Then how will the injuries effect us. So in essance I can actually see 10-6 and making the play offs.

Edit: The 13-3 was sweeping the Giants. If we don't then 12-4.

I love your optimism but that's quite the reach, 7-0 to start the year. I think this team has good potential, buy 13-3 potential, not too sure.

We've got 1 starting quality WR. Sure, MK and DT have potential but they haven't done squat yet.

We've got a guy that we're not sure if he's a "franchise QB" and he's in year 4 as a starter (yr 4 right?)

Oline thats getting older and we've had depth problems

There's much to like about our team too, but there are major questions none the less.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I love your optimism but that's quite the reach, 7-0 to start the year. I think this team has good potential, buy 13-3 potential, not too sure.

We've got 1 starting quality WR. Sure, MK and DT have potential but they haven't done squat yet.

We've got a guy that we're not sure if he's a "franchise QB" and he's in year 4 as a starter (yr 4 right?)

Oline thats getting older and we've had depth problems

There's much to like about our team too, but there are major questions none the less.

JC is beginning year 3 as a starter and one of the previous years was cut short by injury.

[CRedskinsRule]

I am not saying that I think Holmgrem/Zorn would be a mistake, but didn't Holmgrem have GM duties stripped from him? Let him go to San Fran. barring a 6-10 or worse season, I am content to give this whole group 2 more full seasons (and I think DS would too, regardless of the boo-birds comments)

[irish]

JZ and JC are tied together. If JC plays good and the Skins improve the JZ keeps his job. IF JC plays his typical style and the Skins look like the same old team then JZ goes. Unfortunately IMO, JZ's fate rests with the performance of JC.

[Tony420]

Good point. But we knew that as soon as JZ was handed the keys. Mission 1 from day 1 for him has been to grow and tudor JC like he did Hasselback.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Tony420

Good point. But we knew that as soon as JZ was handed the keys. Mission 1 from day 1 for him has been to grow and tudor JC like he did Hasselback.

Welcome to the board Tony420. That is exactly why he was brought here. I think that is Zorns strongpoint. I would be very disappointed if there is not more offensive success this year. Count me as one who thinks there will be.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by irish

JZ and JC are tied together. If JC plays good and the Skins improve the JZ keeps his job. IF JC plays his typical style and the Skins look like the same old team then JZ goes. Unfortunately IMO, JZ's fate rests with the performance of JC.

If Campbell plays his typical self and only throws 6 ints all season, Zorn and the Redskins will be in great shape. The WR must not drop as many passes as they did last year and the oline needs to hold up. He threw all 6 late in the season when the oline was battered and Campbell was under pressure.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

If Campbell plays his typical self and only throws 6 ints all season, Zorn and the Redskins will be in great shape. The WR must not drop as many passes as they did last year and the oline needs to hold up. He threw all 6 late in the season when the oline was battered and Campbell was under pressure.

Not throwing ints is important for a QB but he also needs to throw TD as well and JC only threw 13 TDs (as many as JaMarcus Russell). In today's NFL that just doesnt cut it.

[hail_2_da_skins]

The fact that we are talking about hiring or firing a head coach after one full season. tells me that this is a dysfunctional organization. Last off-season, the Redskins had the opportunity to hire a head coach and no one, that was qualified, wanted the job. They originally hired Zorn as offensive coordinator, a job he had never held, and then turned around and made him head coach. This organization needs to settle down and develop an operational plan and stick to it. Change is not always good.