Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

the point is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points

There is this thing called consistency in making arguments which you don't seem to follow. You clearly stated...

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..

Now you changed your argument from "Flacco won games for the Ravens", to "whereas Flacco and the Ravens could get some points". Now this is just a small portion of your argument that I can counter by using those "CRAAAZY" stats.

Here's a rough look at the 2008 Ravens and their performance against other teams. If Flacco indeed "won" games for the Ravens, then I am to assume that this means he produced points at the end of the game that directly led to the win (since to you the fact that they had an elite scoring defense doesn't mean crap to you).

Cincy – W – no 4th qtr TD
Clev – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Pit – L – no TDs thrown
Ind – L – no TDs thrown
Mia – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Oak – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Clev – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense)
Hou – W – blow out win (defense holds opponent to low score)
NYG – L – blowout loss – no 4th qtr TD thrown
Phil – W - 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense/defense)
Cin – W – blow out win (defense holds opponent to low score)
Was – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (defense holds opponent to low score)
Pit – L – no TDs thrown
Dal – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense/defense)
Jax – W – no TDs thrown (defense holds opponent to low score)

I looked at 4th Qtr TDs thrown by Flacco (yes I know I am simplifying this a bit, disregarding his performance that indirectly resulted in points). Now, in the two games I bolded, Flacco did have a strong offensive showing, the opposing teams put up points against the Ravens, and the ability of Flacco to put up points on the board were important to the win.

However, in most of the other games, Flacco did not have to "win" the game as you put it, most of the time the Ravens defense held the opposing team under 14 pts.; and then there are those games where they lost.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

the point is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points

No the point is the Bmore defense scored points and the skins didn't. That is why Ravens was still able to win without the QB throwing a ton of TDS whereas the skins struggled. That the real reason the were averaging 25 points a game.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

No the point is the Bmore defense scored points and the skins didn't. That is why Ravens was still able to win without the QB throwing a ton of TDS whereas the skins struggled. That the real reason the were averaging 25 points a game.

The Ravens Defense scored 25 pts a game??? WOW
Our defense was 4th in the league, and maybe they would make big plays if they werent on the field most of the game because our offense couldnt sustain drives thanks to Mr Checkdown.

[DBUCHANON101]

how was i cherry picking? we all see JC on the field each week. I was showing the promise seen by the coaches in the young guys that ppl were sayin wouldnt play because they are called system QB's

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

how was i cherry picking? we all see JC on the field each week. I was showing the promise seen by the coaches in the young guys that ppl were sayin wouldnt play because they are called system QB's

I already have shown this several times. You present only the information which agrees with you point and ignore/omit the information which refutes what you are trying to say. Please pay attention.

[DBUCHANON101]

I grew up in MS. but that still doesnt make me see something that isnt there.

[DBUCHANON101]

you think drew brees going from san diegos offense to new orleans he was saying we'll im switching offenses so im gonna take a few steps back this year cause im switching offenses, you think roethlisberger said that when whisenhunt left, how bout matt ryan going from college to the atlanta, how bout flacco going from Division 2 to the starting QB of the Ravens, Eli switched coordinators midway through 06 and still made the playoffs, and one the super bowl the next year.....i could go on and on..

good points. at some point as a pro, you either get it or you dont. players change teams and coaches each yr. the good ones still play at a high level. Pennington went to a 1-15 team. wins comeback player of the year. Kurt Warner and the Cards changed HC's and OC's in 2007. he threw 27 td's that yr.

[DBUCHANON101]

you still didnt answer his question.... ill hum the jeopardy theme while we wait.

[DBUCHANON101]

I said the guys ie Colt and Chase could be good and are more than the 'system' QB's you say they are. I showed where the offensive coach backed it up with his observations.. what did i omit??

You are trying too hard to prove something but i dont know what it is. maybe you dont either.

[DBUCHANON101]

We are still waiting on you to answer the mans question...

[DBUCHANON101]

Its not all about td's. its about the little things such as converting on 3rd down. making plays to sustain drives. putting their teams in position to score/win.things that those guys did that our QB didnt.

[Ruhskins]

Ok, more "craaazy" stats...

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...

Collins had great protection, as Tenn. tied for first as the team with the least QB sacks allowed, funny that you omitted this (well I guess that would hurt your argument).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Its not all about td's. its about the little things such as converting on 3rd down. making plays to sustain drives. putting their teams in position to score/win.things that those guys did that our QB didnt.

Did you forget to use the quote feature again, kinda hard to have a dialogue if we don't know who you're talking too.

And I love the bolded quote by the way.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Its not all about td's. its about the little things such as converting on 3rd down. making plays to sustain drives. putting their teams in position to score/win.things that those guys did that our QB didnt.

So it isn't about scoring TDs, but you all were complaining JC doesn't score enough TDs. That was your main gripe. You both said if JC woud have scored more TDS(about 20+) then the skins would have been in the playoffs. Now you are saying it isn't just about scoring TDs, but about sustaining drives, 3rd conversions.

[DBUCHANON101]

So a top 5 defense isnt good enough for us to win?