can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

[Pocket$ $traight]

I know this sounds like a homer statement but the best team lost today.

The 4th and 1 play by Haynesworth was out of this world....

His talent is out of this world.

The Giants will lose in Washington and we are a legitimate contender in the division even though I am frightened by the Eagles.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this all game long. The Giants were missing two CBs today...we should have been picking them apart through the air but after Jason goes 8/11 (with a few bad decisions) Zorn went away from the pass completely. BUT...the only thing i can think is Zorn really doesn't like what he's seeing from the WR corp in live play. I think I see it two. They're routes are mostly awful and there's very little separation. I hate to be the broken record but things keep pointing back to Hixon...his group (i mean the guys he's supposed to have developed, not ARL and Moss who he acquired) are just not NFL caliber. I'm tired of the excuses for that, period.

I think the answer is much clearer (and less Hixon focused) than you'd like to believe. Zorn is in over his head and his stubbornness will probably cost him his job.

[JWsleep]

Disappointing loss--we failed to move the ball at crucial times, and couldn't get off the field on D. Plus, the JC fumble for a TD was a killer. Like Matty, I'm not sold on the o-line, but either way JC has to find a way to make a play.

But for all that, I thought there were some positives. ARE looks MUCH better in the slot; Cooley got free quite a bit, London was moving well and the D did create 2 big TOs.

I didn't expect to go up to NY and win this, even if I had my hopes. But I really would have liked to feel we had a real chance--I don't think the team believes it. And until they do, they'll keep flailing about.

Here's a cliche for you, but I think it's right: 90% of the game is mental. The gints believed it from the opening gun; we never did. Sometimes it's a little thing that shifts momentum, but more often it takes your playmakers stepping up at big moments and winning games. We did not see that today. The gints have our number--have for a number of years now. We've got to turn it around, beat the rams, and get some confidence. The rest will follow.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Disappointing loss--we failed to move the ball at crucial times, and couldn't get off the field on D. Plus, the JC fumble for a TD was a killer. Like Matty, I'm not sold on the o-line, but either way JC has to find a way to make a play.

Exactly, Jason Campbell must become more of a playmaker. The Skins' offense is mediocre and needs the QB to be a leader. When JC threw that INT after crossing the line of scrimmage by several yards, he showed he has a lack of vision of the entire field. No way he'll be an effective field general. He might be serviceable for a few years, but that's it.

[JWsleep]

I too would like to see more throws on 1st down, but I don't think giving up on the run is the answer. Portis is a weapon--he can win games for us and move the chains. We failed to block in the run game against a good D, and Zorn should have given it up earlier. But trying to stick with it isn't nuts, given CP.

[wilsowilso]

Jim Zorn is allergic to:

The WR slant
The second TE
The QB roll out
Throwing the ball on first down

I think we can improve plenty, but the playcalling was so vanilla frustrating

[NYCskinfan82]

In my opinion and everyone entiitled to their own opinion but this is a stupid Thread it's only been one game. I'm as mad as anyone but when you watch the game tomorrow you will see Offensively we didn't play that bad. It's the first game i even have to say it the giants are an elite team we will get them at our house wait and see.

[GTripp0012]

Here's the other thing: in the first half (second quarter), the offense we ran was very, very different from anything we ran last season. In the second half, it was nearly identical to what we ran all of last season.

But that's the difference this year: we can rely on our receivers to beat the DBs. Last year, it was defensible to try to take the game out of the hands of the receivers. This year, you have to let them make plays downfield.

[Beemnseven]

I didn't think O-line protection was all that bad today. There were a few times when Jason was pressured, but overall, it seemed he had time to throw. I think the bigger problem was that too often there wasn't anyone open other than Cooley and Randle El underneath.

Did anybody else notice how it was Portis off left tackle on pretty much every running play? The first one worked for 34 yards, but man, they kept trying that play for the rest of the game and it just wasn't there.

Offensively, there's still no cohesion and it just doesn't look like our players are getting Zorn's system. And I don't think Zorn even knows what Zorn's system is. I said this a few weeks ago, but this offense is suffering from an identity crisis.

[CultBrennan59]

well, after listening to fox nfl sunday show, they seem pretty sure that shannahan will be our next coach or dallas's...lets ask this question midway through the season.

[hagams]

Since I didn't get to watch the game, maybe I'm a little more pleased than most. The NFC Beast is the hardest division in football, and the G-spots are on top of the division. I didn't get to check the score after the fake FG, and we were down 0-17 before that. Looking at the stats, JC had a decent game against one of the most dominate front four in the league. I did notice a lot of 10-15 yard plays going for the Giants, but it really looks like we clamped down on them the second half.

Bottom line: It's game one of a long season and if we stayed close with the Giants, we can run with any team in the league.

Observation: Two seasons ago we couldn't finish a game to save our lives, I hope this years problem isn't starting the game slow. HTTR!!!! Semper Fidelis!!!!

[GMScud]

In the meantime, in the first half, Cutler is 5/16 with 3 INTs. But we'd be a lot better off with him for sure.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by hagams

Since I didn't get to watch the game, maybe I'm a little more pleased than most. The NFC Beast is the hardest division in football, and the G-spots are on top of the division. I didn't get to check the score after the fake FG, and we were down 0-17 before that. Looking at the stats, JC had a decent game against one of the most dominate front four in the league. I did notice a lot of 10-15 yard plays going for the Giants, but it really looks like we clamped down on them the second half.

Bottom line: It's game one of a long season and if we stayed close with the Giants, we can run with any team in the league.

Observation: Two seasons ago we couldn't finish a game to save our lives, I hope this years problem isn't starting the game slow. HTTR!!!! Semper Fidelis!!!!

Semper Fidelis!

[Paintrain]

I know there are a lot of anti-Campbell fans out there and he didn't play a great game but to put any more than about 15% of the blame on him is just dumb. He was careless with the ball on the fumble and should have just tucked and ran out of bounds on the INT but to say he looked 'confused' and 'deer in the headlights' and 'lost'? C'mon guys, let's get real.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I know there are a lot of anti-Campbell fans out there and he didn't play a great game but to put any more than about 15% of the blame on him is just dumb. He was careless with the ball on the fumble and should have just tucked and ran out of bounds on the INT but to say he looked 'confused' and 'deer in the headlights' and 'lost'? C'mon guys, let's get real.

Exactly. His rating was over 90 and his completed 73% of his passes. He wasn't the problem today.