Potential Epic Fail

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Vinnie takes a lot of flack from people who don't really understand his job, sure, but at some point don't you have to win something? I mean, it's a bottom line league. 　He's put a team together that is clearly talented in ways but lacks depth and balance in others. As this season progresses, if none of the 08 second rounders step up, if the offensive line continues to whither, if Deangelo Hall continues to look like a 60 million dollar liability, and if the team continues to swim around the 500 mark, how can one continue to defend the guy? I mean, we've been on the three year plan for almost 10 years now. Maybe it's not completely fair but who else in football gets to underperform and keep their job in perpetuity?

Someone who is getting paid to act as GM on behalf of the owner.

With Vinny here I just can't believe that Snyder doesn't have his hand on the roster.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Vinnie takes a lot of flack from people who don't really understand his job, sure, but at some point don't you have to win something? I mean, it's a bottom line league. 　He's put a team together that is clearly talented in ways but lacks depth and balance in others. As this season progresses, if none of the 08 second rounders step up, if the offensive line continues to whither, if Deangelo Hall continues to look like a 60 million dollar liability, and if the team continues to swim around the 500 mark, how can one continue to defend the guy? I mean, we've been on the three year plan for almost 10 years now. Maybe it's not completely fair but who else in football gets to underperform and keep their job in perpetuity?

Fair points. The reality is only recently has Vinny been given final authority that he didn't have when Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Gibbs were here. There have been some very questionable moves that I would confidently say would not have been made had Vinny had the final say. The role of the "General Manager" "VP of Player Personnel" whatever you want to call it is somewhat nebulous. I mean, on the one hand kudos to Vinny for selecting Marko Mitchell in the 7th round but it really could be argued that's more a testament to good scouting (but then again kudos to Vinny for putting the scouting team together)

I have stated before, and continue to believe, that within the next couple of years Cerrato's responsibilities will shift to more the business side of the team than the football operations. And I think that's the right call. I think he's done a good, not great job.

My concern is that I don't know what the better alternative is. I think any of the four most mentioned candidates are going to want full control. But Holmgren already showed once he couldn't handle both jobs and was relieved of the responsibility, Shanahan should have been, Gruden and Allen clashed a lot in Tampa. Cowher is really the only one who hasn't been tested yet in that dual role. I'm sure a lot of fans though would simply rest easier if Cerrato isn't there. Not based on any actual reason, just because they don't want him around.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Epic Fail = Censorship

Could have edited my letter to the Redskins. But hey. All hail the power of the moderator. There is no rights to free speech here..LMAO

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Epic Fail = Censorship

Could have edited my letter to the Redskins. But hey. All hail the power of the moderator.

What? You asked me to delete it didn't you? I guess I should have asked why

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What? You asked me to delete it didn't you? I guess I should have asked why

Oh my bad. I just thought you deleted it being mean. I took a lot of time to write that sorry. I see your point when I was being to general. But honestly. I wanted us fans to have a voice. That didn't include curse words and other unnecessary language. Just was responding to the players not understanding why we boo'd them. My fault buddy. dag it took me a while to write it and edit it. That's my fault. I told you to delete it if you thought it was inappropriate for the forum. I just think we need to motivate them at times (since the coach doesn't) and let them know how much this team means to us. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part.

OOPS

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Oh my bad. I just thought you deleted it being mean. I took a lot of time to write that sorry. I see your point when I was being to general. But honestly. I wanted us fans to ahve a voice. That didn't include curse words and other unnecessary language. Just was responding to the players not understanding why we boo'd them. My fault buddy. dag it took me a whiel to read it and edit it. That's my fault. I told you to delete it if you thought it was inappropriate for the blog.

OOPS

Just because I disagreed with a lot of what you wrote didn't mean I was going to delete to be mean. You asked me to delete it so I did. Next time...save it in a Word document first

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Just because I disagreed with a lot of what you wrote didn't mean I was going to delete to be mean. You asked me to delete it so I did. Next time...save it in a Word document first

Agreed.

And yes I do get very depressed when we lose. But only for a day..LMAO. I love my skins that much. But I have friends that are Eagles NY and Cowgirls fans. So I go through it all week. Have to turn my phone off on Sundays and everything. LMAO


ps. I love my skins so much. That there was a thunderstorm that year of the Superbowl against the Broncos and the power went out. I was young. Can't remember how young. But I pulled out my lil boom box with my D batteries and blasted it so all the neighbors could hear the game. So I am diehard since day one. Love my Skins.

HTTR!!!!!!!!!!

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Oh my bad. I just thought you deleted it being mean. I took a lot of time to write that sorry. I see your point when I was being to general. But honestly. I wanted us fans to have a voice. That didn't include curse words and other unnecessary language. Just was responding to the players not understanding why we boo'd them. My fault buddy. dag it took me a while to write it and edit it. That's my fault. I told you to delete it if you thought it was inappropriate for the forum. I just think we need to motivate them at times (since the coach doesn't) and let them know how much this team means to us. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part.

OOPS

Hey DMV I read your post and I thought it summed up how most of us real fans feel about the Redskins. Some of us eat sleep and breathe Redskins football. It wasn't disrepectful it was heart felt and the players need to see how loyal and passionate we are about the Redskins. Good Post.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Hey DMV I read your post and I thought it summed up how most of us real fans feel about the Redskins. Some of us eat sleep and breathe Redskins football. It wasn't disrepectful it was heart felt and the players need to see how loyal and passionate we are about the Redskins. Good Post.

Thanks. I am so die hard man. It actually hurts when they lose. But I try not to be too critical. But I feel like a lot of fans are fed up. Some may express it in the wrong way. But I just want to see my team do good. That's how passionate I am as all fans should be. One thing I love about "diehard" skins fan is that we know our football on some level and we are good at expressing our disatisfaction. Some people have players on a very short rope. But I give them a chance. But whether it is coaching, FO or players. They need to be held accountable. They need to know how we feel and we have put up with a lot. Saying that. I love my skins and always will!!!

HTTR!!

[DBUCHANON101]

I got Sunday Ticket just so i can find another game to watch when the Skins start pi$$in me off.

[CRedskinsRule]

So I went back to the first NYG game and last years Rams game, painful, and compared the drives from both years:

This year 10 out of 15 drives >30 yds , 5 drives > 70 yds
Results:
P(unt), I(nt), TD,P,TD,FG,FG,Fu(mble),FG,D(owns)
2 punts, 2 TO's, 5 scores(3 FG, 2 TDs), 1 downs (in scoring position)


Last year 9 out of 18 drives>30 yds , 1 drive > 70 yds
Results: P, Downs, End of Game, Fu,Fu,P,Fu, FG,TD
2 punts, 3 TO's, 2 scores(1 FG, 1 TD), 1 end of game, 1 downs(outside of scoring position),

all drives less then 30 yds ended with punts.

I do see this as improvement and I think it will continue

[CRedskinsRule]

Some percentages:
this year:66% > 30yds
last year:50%

this year:50% of the > 30yds ended in scores
last year:11% of the >30 yds ended in scores.

patience is a virtue.

Dynasties are not built in a day.

[SBXVII]

So what I took from it.....3 fewer drives and only one more positive result then last yr. But we are getting better. Last yr we had 2 scores and this yr 5. but field goals count as scores.

I'm sure this was supposed to be a positive thread, to point out the positives, to help relax people but for the last 9 yrs the team has had trouble scoring more then 20 points. They have had trouble in the red zone all 9 yrs also. I'm just having a little trouble. Sorry believing.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

So what I took from it.....3 fewer drives and only one more positive result then last yr. But we are getting better. Last yr we had 2 scores and this yr 5. but field goals count as scores.

I'm sure this was supposed to be a positive thread, to point out the positives, to help relax people but for the last 9 yrs the team has had trouble scoring more then 20 points. They have had trouble in the red zone all 9 yrs also. I'm just having a little trouble. Sorry believing.

Well my point, of course I see a positive, was to look at the 2 games against the same two opponents, and say what I saw. I knew what I expected to see, but if it had been negative, I would have said that also.

What I did find, was across the board improvement. we had more sustained drives, both numerically and by percentage. Yes we had fewer overall drives, but that's because we didn't sputter on alot. we scored more off our drives. Yes they need to make more TD's and less FGs, but again, the opportunities existed this year where they did not last year.

last year we had 1 drive of 70+ yds, this year we had 5 drives of 70+ drives.

All of that is improvement.

Against the same two teams, you name a category and we improved on it this year. We went 1-1, last year 0-2.

So be negative my friend, but atleast when Zorn says there has been improvement from last year, know that he isn't bald face lying. Just wearing (slightly) tinted glasses

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well my point, of course I see a positive, was to look at the 2 games against the same two opponents, and say what I saw. I knew what I expected to see, but if it had been negative, I would have said that also.

What I did find, was across the board improvement. we had more sustained drives, both numerically and by percentage. Yes we had fewer overall drives, but that's because we didn't sputter on alot. we scored more off our drives. Yes they need to make more TD's and less FGs, but again, the opportunities existed this year where they did not last year.

last year we had 1 drive of 70+ yds, this year we had 5 drives of 70+ drives.

All of that is improvement.

Against the same two teams, you name a category and we improved on it this year. We went 1-1, last year 0-2.

So be negative my friend, but atleast when Zorn says there has been improvement from last year, know that he isn't bald face lying. Just wearing (slightly) tinted glasses

:cool-smil