Portis staying?

[SBXVII]

Ok, here's my issue:

1- As someone said before, this is a Portis thread and everyone is making it out to be about everyone else. The first joker wanted to bring Sellers into the arguement then blame everyone else for bringing Seller into a Portis thread. Then there's the second joker who brings up JC and people not on this team. I honestly don't care about whether other players are brought up but don't bring them up yourself then bitch about others doing it.

2- No one said Porti is crap. I think we all know what he has done and what he as accomplished. But the issues are not about what he "has" done in the past for us its what he is going to be able to do for us. As a player who is getting older, is more injury prone, and is slowing down... is he worth keeping on this team? I still say his head injury may have decided for us. The doctor as far as I know still has not cleared him.

YouTube - YOU GOT KNOCKED THA FUGGG OUT!!!

3-This year is to be an uncapped year. Most experts are saying they believe a new CBA will be put in place after this year. If a team wants to shed any big contracts with out it hurting them future wise this would be the year. Maybe it will go longer but what we do know is this year will not have a CAP and the owners know it and if they want to shed big contracts this is the year to get it done. Unfortunatly Portis falls into this catagory.

4- "If" the team can pay off Portis, and his doctor clears him, and the team wants to re-sign him to a more reasonable contract then I'm for keeping him and bringing in someone else to split time on the field so Portis's whinny ass doesn't have to complain about the beating he's taking. But I'm more about the team playing as a team. The team acting like a team, so if Portis gets cut I know I won't be upset. I know it was not all Portis's fault just as I know it wasn't all JC's fault, but I do know that no one should be getting special treatment. That is if they view themselves as a team player and a team. Everyone does the work. Everyone does the practices. Everyone does the preseason. It's a way for the coach's to evaluate the players and their progress. Are they getting the timing down? Are they hitting the holes right? Are they blocking the right people? Are they running the right routes? What if JC sat out all preseason then started game day? Do you think he would be completely ready to step on the field and win a game for us? Do you think he would have the receivers routes down and be able to deliver the ball on time?

No one person is bigger then the team or the game. I can over look the comments Portis has made if the players can over look them. If the team has made up and kissed then I'm good with Portis staying so long as he doesn't hurt us because he's not learning the plays on the field or practicing the plays on the field, or his Salary.

No the other players mentioned.... Sellers is getting old, I hope they have a replacement for him. JC is not an elite QB in my book. He's servicable, is young, and for the most part healthy, I don't have a problem with him cause he actually practices and plays. I'd like to see us pick up a Frachise QB cause I don't see it with JC but otherwise if the coaching staff believes he is right for their system then I'll be happy knowing someone who knows their system thinks JC can run it.

I'll even go a step further.... I hope they do something with AH's contract. I'm not sure if it was $100 mill if he plays the whole term or if it's guarenteed? If it's guarenteed then I'd say try to pay off the majority so if a CAP comes back into play we only owe him like half the amount. If it's only the $40 mill guarenteed then pay him that and rework his contract. If he doesn't want to be in a 3-4 as some of you seem to think he said then let him go if he wants to go. Rather trade him out. Maybe pick up a NT or a draft pick or both.

Samuels I don't see coming back even though he's waffling. I can't see him returning with the neck issue. Same with R.Thomas. Anyone else with an off the chart salary we need to look into? fix it. Rework it. Whatever.

[SolidSnake84]

About the concussion issue; latest word is that doctors have still not cleared him, he is still having vision concerns, and i suspect that will be a MAJOR factor considering next year for him.

If kept on, he will likely be ineligible to practice/attend OTA's (who would have guessed), due to the lack of physical clearance, and depending on if/how he has insurance set up, he may have to show to the insurance company that the redskins decided on his football future, and not him...very similar to the Theismann situation..

If he is put on injury waivers i'm not sure how that will affect his status to play for another team...i also don't know how that will affect our salary/cap, or whatever, if he is waived.

I'm just assuming if waived, another team can pick him up, but they would still have to get him cleared to play....

[SolidSnake84]

I'm glad everybody realizes the big picture...seriously....we really will be better off as a franchise without him....our young talent will be better off without somebody holding us back...

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Well i'm glad there are at least a FEW people here that know stats and know real football and make valid comments. Metal Gear only uses opinions and his best defense is exaggerating other people's statements.

Question, if ANYONE can have success in Shanahan's system, why has nobody done as well in it since Portis? If players are interchangable, why didn't Shanahan get any rings after Elway and Terrell Davis were gone? Answer that, Solid.

Our two last playoff berths were mostly on the back of Portis and we crapped out in out last playoff game because Todd Collins let one pick lead to more and turn him into a typical rookie, scared to make another mistake. Another big factor was the greatest player of our defense, God rest his soul, left a huge hole in our backfield when he passed away. Once again, when you play normal teams, Yes, Santana can be the man. But when you'r eplaying a playoff level team, the number 2 and 3 receivers HAVE to step up! (This is the point you missed when you THOUGHT i was comparing Moss to Reggie Wayne)
All we had was moss, cooley was too busy blocking to make a difference in the passing game, so of COURSE they handed Portis the ball over and over! He'd take the ball with sore ribs, a bad shoulder, and a twisted ankle and STILL have a higher YPC than Betts or any other guy we have AS WELL as most many other starters. I'm not all about portis and i'm not in his fan club, i'm stating facts! Now, if you have anything other than "Oh, so you think portis is perfect!?" then let it be known. If not, go put on your pink Tony Romo jersey and let the real Redskins fans talk!

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

He'd take the ball with sore ribs, a bad shoulder, and a twisted ankle and STILL have a higher YPC than Betts or any other guy we have AS WELL as most many other starters. I'm not all about portis and i'm not in his fan club, i'm stating facts!

Betts 2009 YPC: 3.8
Ganther 2009 YPC: 3.2
Mason 2009 YPC: 4.0
Portis 2009 YPC: 4.0

Those are facts, son. Portis was on par with Ladell Betts, as well as Marcus Mason. Ganther was the only one who paled in comparison. Still working on your "higher than most other starters" argument...but here you go below

Top Running Backs from 2009

Chris Johnson: 2,006 yards 5.6 YPC
Cedric Benson: 1,251 yards 4.2 YPC
Steven Jackson: 1,416 yards 4.4 YPC
Thomas Jones: 1,402 yards 4.2 YPC
Maurice Jones-Drew: 1,391 yards 4.5 YPC

Your precious Portis wasn't higher than any of those starts listed above. So i know you hate facts, but Portis wasnt better than anybody this season...especially not on our team. And i dont have to exaggerate statements because your opinion of Portis can't be reasoned with. You dont care about anybody else's opinion but your own. So take these facts and try and learn something.

Your quote at the top is what is so ironic, because you get on me for saying untruths and exaggerating...but then look at the shit you say.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Top Running Backs from 2009

Chris Johnson: 2,006 yards 5.6 YPC
Cedric Benson: 1,251 yards 4.2 YPC
Steven Jackson: 1,416 yards 4.4 YPC
Thomas Jones: 1,402 yards 4.2 YPC
Maurice Jones-Drew: 1,391 yards 4.5 YPC

Your precious Portis wasn't higher than any of those starts listed above. So i know you hate facts, but Portis wasnt better than anybody this season...especially not on our team.

Good points. Portis was actually 32nd in the NFL in Yards per Attempt (minimum 6 rushes per game to qualify).

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Question, if ANYONE can have success in Shanahan's system, why has nobody done as well in it since Portis? If players are interchangable, why didn't Shanahan get any rings after Elway and Terrell Davis were gone? Answer that, Solid.

First thing...how many rings did Portis get for Shanahan?

Here is your answer below. Read Slow. Here are guys who have succeeded since Portis was traded:

2005: Mike Anderson 1,014 yards 4.2 YPC 12 TDs
2006: Tatum Bell 1,025 yards 4.4 YPC 2 TDs
Mike Bell 677 yards 4.3 YPC 8 TDs

2007: Selvin Young 729 yards 5.2 YPC 1TDs
Travis Henry 691 yards 4.1 YPC 4 TDs

2008: Michael Pittman 320yds 4.2 YPC 4 TDs
Peyton Hillis 343yds 5.0 YPC 5 TDs
Selvin Young 303yds 5.0 YPC 1 TDs
*3 runners combined for 10 TDs, 966 yards..not a bad year

2009: Knowshon Moreno 947yds 3.8 YPC 7TDs
Correll Buckhalter 642yds 5.4YPC 1TD

Okay....so it looks like they've been just fine and successful since the mighty Portis was traded....

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

First thing...how many rings did Portis get for Shanahan?

Here is your answer below. Read Slow. Here are guys who have succeeded since Portis was traded:

2005: Mike Anderson 1,014 yards 4.2 YPC 12 TDs
2006: Tatum Bell 1,025 yards 4.4 YPC 2 TDs
Mike Bell 677 yards 4.3 YPC 8 TDs

2007: Selvin Young 729 yards 5.2 YPC 1TDs
Travis Henry 691 yards 4.1 YPC 4 TDs

2008: Michael Pittman 320yds 4.2 YPC 4 TDs
Peyton Hillis 343yds 5.0 YPC 5 TDs
Selvin Young 303yds 5.0 YPC 1 TDs
*3 runners combined for 10 TDs, 966 yards..not a bad year

2009: Knowshon Moreno 947yds 3.8 YPC 7TDs
Correll Buckhalter 642yds 5.4YPC 1TD

Okay....so it looks like they've been just fine and successful since the mighty Portis was traded....

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your arguement.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your arguement.

How about the fact that Knowshon was a rookie this past year and the Broncos were coached by Josh McDaniels so Shanahan had nothing to do with their 2009 running game output.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your arguement.

I concur...some folks take the whole Denver running scheme to an extreme. No Terrell Davis, no Super Bowl...no Portis, no consistent RB hence their running back by committee.

[dgack]

I think the point isn't that Denver's "Who Dat" RBBC approach generated as many yards as CP did because obviously, it did not. The point is that it obviously didn't bother Shanny that much, because he made no moves to acquire a marquee RB after parting ways with Portis, and seemed to move the ball on the ground reasonably well without him, choosing instead to spend the draft picks on other positions.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude...this post is retarded! None of the players above reached over 1500 yards in a season, or even got close! In fact the highest season total shown above was only 2/3 of what CP got in that system. Geez, I know you hate the guy but don't let that negate the need for common sense in your argument.

Your math is retarded. As others have pointed out, Denver has used a 2 back system and still been okay. Maybe i'm not a expert like you, but it sure seems to me that "2/3's" of Portis' production in denver would have been about 1125 yards, right?

So the only year in which his production was not exceeded was 2008, and 3 freaking runners still got 1000 yards combined...Again, i think Denver has gotten along just fine without him.

""Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words"

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Your math is retarded. As others have pointed out, Denver has used a 2 back system and still been okay. Maybe i'm not a expert like you, but it sure seems to me that "2/3's" of Portis' production in denver would have been about 1125 yards, right?

So the only year in which his production was not exceeded was 2008, and 3 freaking runners still got 1000 yards combined...Again, i think Denver has gotten along just fine without him.

""Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words"

Look...CP (one back) in Denver's system:

2002- 1,508 yards - 5.5 ypc - 15 TD's
2003- 1,591 yards - 5.5 ypc - 14 TD's

Even with a "two back system" the production fell off after he left. If you hate the guy, just say you hate the guy. Stop trying to validate your emotions with any statistical eveidence knocking his worth as a player in the Denver system. He's not the same player now, but he can still be productive. It's like you want us to believe he was never anything special simply because you disapprove of his character? The guy was a stud and might have some productive years left. That will be up to the new FO to figure out. Either way, his career is an accomplished one and no amount of your disdain for him can detract from that.

Do you lways let your feelings get in the way of common sense? I guess Tiger Woods is an overrated golfer casue he's an adulterer? Tom Brady is an average QB cause he left his pregnant girlfriend? Kobe sucks cause he cheated on his wife? Riggo doesn't deserve to be in the HOF becasue he used to drink beer in a shed after practice? Joe Namath is a bum cause he struggles with alcoholism? Mel Gibson's movies are some trash because of his anti-semitism?

As far as your quoting of proverbs 23:9, I can only be amused. The guy with no validity in his arguement has to resort to ideaology in an attempt to recover any resemblence of an effective rebuttal. How cliche.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

First thing...how many rings did Portis get for Shanahan?

Here is your answer below. Read Slow. Here are guys who have succeeded since Portis was traded:

2005: Mike Anderson 1,014 yards 4.2 YPC 12 TDs
2006: Tatum Bell 1,025 yards 4.4 YPC 2 TDs
Mike Bell 677 yards 4.3 YPC 8 TDs

2007: Selvin Young 729 yards 5.2 YPC 1TDs
Travis Henry 691 yards 4.1 YPC 4 TDs

2008: Michael Pittman 320yds 4.2 YPC 4 TDs
Peyton Hillis 343yds 5.0 YPC 5 TDs
Selvin Young 303yds 5.0 YPC 1 TDs
*3 runners combined for 10 TDs, 966 yards..not a bad year

2009: Knowshon Moreno 947yds 3.8 YPC 7TDs
Correll Buckhalter 642yds 5.4YPC 1TD

Okay....so it looks like they've been just fine and successful since the mighty Portis was traded....

what I get out of these stats...

was a confirmation that I was stupid to draft Matt Forte in fantasy after seeing what Cutler did to Denver's running attack

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Question, if ANYONE can have success in Shanahan's system, why has nobody done as well in it since Portis? If players are interchangable, why didn't Shanahan get any rings after Elway and Terrell Davis were gone?

Portis had a monster 2002 & 2003, however Denver's rushing attack remained solid with many different backs after Portis left. From 2004-2008 the Broncos were in the top ten in the NFL in Total Yds Rushing and Yards Per Attempt each year (except 2008 Total Yds at 12th).

I don't think Shanahan's system should be questioned and while Portis did have two great years that was 6-7 years ago. Here are some Redskins backs and their carries per year along with 3 other "workhorse" backs

Riggo 2916 carries / 14 years / 208 avg. carries per year
Larry Brown 1530 / 8yrs / 191 avg
Byner 2095 / 14 yrs / 149 avg
E. Campbell 2187 / 8 yrs. / 273 avg
E. George 2865 / 9yrs. / 318 avg
LT 2880 / 9 yrs. / 320 avg

Portis 2176 / 8 yrs / 272 avg.
However since Portis has been a Redskin, in the years he was healthy for 16 games, he has carried the following load: 343 / 352 / 325 / 342.
This is a monster workload. Even great backs with this type of workload break down at 8 or 9 years. I seriously doubt we see Portis return to his previous form.