Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Like the majority of posters I am siding with Shanahan here, if for no other reason than to support in the broadest terms the general change in discipline and atmosphere at Redskins Park that, needed for so long, Shanahan's arrival appears to be precipitating.

BUT, for some reason there exists a tendency amongst Redskins fans to severely underrate the impact that Haynesworth had on this team last season. Yes, he appeared to get injured several times a game, he huffed and puffed and didn't always seem in optimum shape, and he certainly came off poorly when criticizing Blache's defensive scheme in the media, in particularly uncharitable terms. Nevertheless, when on the field and firing on all cylinders he was every bit the disruptive, menacing force we paid for. It's not a coincidence that Carter and Orakpo both hit double-digit sacks for the year, Carter resurrecting a career that had seemed on the wrong side of done only a season prior.

AH might not be a guy I would choose to have a beer with; and in the end, he might not be a guy the new regime feels it can work with. Fine. But what is so headscratching is the perception - perpetuated by both the media and fans - that he was a bust for us last season. Albert played like one of the best DT's in the league last year.

Good post: There are some people in this area who feel the whole Haynesworth situation could have been handled in a way that could have brought about a much better end result.

When you couple the true facts with all the erroneous media reports, it's not difficult to understand why there has been so many varying opinions. Has Haynesworth's attitude in reference to this whole ordeal been less than desireable (maybe) but there's no one side that should be destined to accept all the blame. There could have been just a little more give and take on the part of both parties and the situation could have turned out much different.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Like the majority of posters I am siding with Shanahan here, if for no other reason than to support in the broadest terms the general change in discipline and atmosphere at Redskins Park that, needed for so long, Shanahan's arrival appears to be precipitating.

BUT, for some reason there exists a tendency amongst Redskins fans to severely underrate the impact that Haynesworth had on this team last season. Yes, he appeared to get injured several times a game, he huffed and puffed and didn't always seem in optimum shape, and he certainly came off poorly when criticizing Blache's defensive scheme in the media, in particularly uncharitable terms. Nevertheless, when on the field and firing on all cylinders he was every bit the disruptive, menacing force we paid for. It's not a coincidence that Carter and Orakpo both hit double-digit sacks for the year, Carter resurrecting a career that had seemed on the wrong side of done only a season prior.

AH might not be a guy I would choose to have a beer with; and in the end, he might not be a guy the new regime feels it can work with. Fine. But what is so headscratching is the perception - perpetuated by both the media and fans - that he was a bust for us last season. Albert played like one of the best DT's in the league last year.

How about the fact that they are actively trying to trade him away from the organization after signing him within hours of free agency opening?

How about the fact that they couldn't successfully trade him to another organization? He's on the block right now and no teams are fawning over him like Skins fans are over Brandon Marshall.

Somehow his playing value has diminished from the most highly sought after free agent, deserving $41M gauranteed within hours of free agency, to not tradeable even when you actively try to do so in a salary cap free environment.


Simple fact is that his perceived value around the league doesn't line up with his playing contract. Thus us having a hard time finding a trade partner.

If you think his value hasn't diminished then perhaps you are the only viable trade partner for the Skins.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

How about the fact that they are actively trying to trade him away from the organization after signing him within hours of free agency opening?

How about the fact that they couldn't successfully trade him to another organization? He's on the block right now and no teams are fawning over him like Skins fans are over Brandon Marshall.

Somehow his playing value has diminished from the most highly sought after free agent, deserving $41M gauranteed within hours of free agency, to not tradeable even when you actively try to do so in a salary cap free environment.


Simple fact is that his perceived value around the league doesn't line up with his playing contract. Thus us having a hard time finding a trade partner.

If you think his value hasn't diminished then perhaps you are the only viable trade partner for the Skins.

Well in fairness the teams that were most active in getting him last year aren't in the running for the trade this year. Tampa knows it will get a stud DT in the draft, and although we made some offer to Philly, I doubt seriously that we are going to trade AH to the Giants in division. So to say how come he isn't demanding the same market, maybe because teams moved on once he was off the market.

And, we are not ACTIVELY looking for partners, we are passively listening to offers. The difference is like active radar in subs versus passive radar. Active radar means you are initiating the pings, you are putting out the noise to see what is reflected back to you. Passive radar means you are quiet, and listen to the noises in the water around you to see if something of interest is near you. Same thing with AH. Before April 1st we were active, to see if we could get someone else to take the 21 million dollar payout. Shockingly, there were no takers, so now that we have paid it, we are in a passive mode. Sure everyone knows that he could be had, but we are not wheeling and dealing him, but that wouldn't stop us from reacting if the right offer came along.

Remember that now his playing contract is basically 3 years for 16million. Lots of teams would take that contract, but not give up draft picks that we want in exchange. And at that remaining contract he remains an appealing player for our roster as well.

[KC625]

CRedskinsRule,

I think you meant SONAR. Radar is for finding things in the air. Sonar is for things in the water. That aside, good point.

Ken,
Former Submariner

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KC625

CRedskinsRule,

I think you meant SONAR. Radar is for finding things in the air. Sonar is for things in the water. That aside, good point.

Ken,
Former Submariner

Absolutely, sorry for the misuse and thanks for correcting it.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ It's a nickname of a nickname (FatAl Bert) that bears no relation to anything. Yes. I too vote "Most Moronic Nickname"

It's like renaming SmootSmack "The Administrator Formerly Known As Smootsmack" and then calling him by the acronym "TAFKAS".

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ It's a nickname of a nickname (FatAl Bert) that bears no relation to anything. Yes. I too vote "Most Moronic Nickname"

It's like renaming SmootSmack "The Administrator Formerly Known As Smootsmack" and then calling him by the acronym "TAFKAS".

I remember TAFKAS.


RIP, TAFKAS.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ It's a nickname of a nickname (FatAl Bert) that bears no relation to anything. Yes. I too vote "Most Moronic Nickname"

It's like renaming SmootSmack "The Administrator Formerly Known As Smootsmack" and then calling him by the acronym "TAFKAS".

Exactly...that's why SmootSmack was renamed "The Artist Formerly Known as SmootSmack" and then went by "TAFKAS"

(If I talk about myself in the 3rd person but am actually talking about an old screenname of mine...does that mean I'm talking in the 4th person?)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Exactly...that's why SmootSmack was renamed "The Artist Formerly Known as SmootSmack" and then went by "TAFKAS"

(If I talk about myself in the 3rd person but am actually talking about an old screenname of mine...does that mean I'm talking in the 4th person?)

I think you're mistaking yourself for Doug Williams.

[CRedskinsRule]

Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

Nice read

Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

“I think it’s going to be exciting. He’s a very experienced coach, he knows how to win and he knows how to build a team. I’m excited about it. I’m glad he’s our coach. He was definitely the best one out there. I’m just ready to get back to work and see what he brings to the table.”

“The players, I think we have the pieces there. We just need a puzzle master to put it together. I don’t think we need a whole lot more changes. Maybe a couple more tweaks here and there. Right now I’m satisfied with the talent that we have.”

"I talked to Jim Haslett and he plans on using me like they did with the Titans. He’s talked to a couple of Titans coaches and former Titans coaches and that’s what he said he’s planning on doing. Just kind of letting me loose and letting me play the game.”

“At first I was a little iffy to it because I’ve never played in the 3-4. I don’t have a clue to how it’s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I’ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we’re doing that and I’m not just at one position, I’m fine, I’m fine with it.”

This all sounds quite familiar

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

Thanks for posting...The combined articles do not have the man sounding anything like the various reports have attempted to make him out to be. He sounds like a man on a mission with his own idea about how to accomplish it. Good read.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Thanks for posting...The combined articles do not have the man sounding anything like the various reports have attempted to make him out to be. He sounds like a man on a mission with his own idea about how to accomplish it. Good read.

I agree, AH has from day one here said he wants to be known as the best DT, but with his own thoughts about it. I hope Haslett works with him and all of our talent that we have, and if so, it could be very good for us!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Very good two part article on AH. In the 2nd part he talks some about last year, and about the 3-4, and what he and Haslett have talked about. It's not earth shattering, but it is the most cohesive take on AH's point of view I have seen.
Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

Giving me errors so here's a link to the cached copy if anyone else gets them too

Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part I - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

and part 2

Beyond the Athlete: Albert Haynesworth Part*II - Beyond The Athlete - Back Sports Page

[Mechanix544]

nice to hear that. I hope its true. But I disagree about having all the pieces, not that he is gonna say, "we dont have the personnel to implement the system." tho........