If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by mooby

An arrogant kid broke the rules to make money and live lavishly? I didn't see that coming.

A kid broke a rule that is pretty stupid to begin with.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

A kid broke a rule that is pretty stupid to begin with.

Actually it's not. The same rules apply across the board and it's there for a reason.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Actually it's not. The same rules apply across the board and it's there for a reason.

Actually it is. They can make all this money off of me and I can't even get a little of it? If people wanna pay me for my signature or wanna pay me to come to their school over another school then who the f**k are you to tell me I can't?

[WestCoastSkinsFan]

Even if a rule is stupid, it's a rule to be obeyed. You can talk about having it overturned, sure, but don't go and break it unless you're willing to deal with the consequences.

Speaking of not-so-smart things, how about throwing away potential millions of dollars due to being a higher round draft pick for an easy $40k a year? THAT seems like the big bungle on this one.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Actually it is. They can make all this money off of me and I can't even get a little of it? If people wanna pay me for my signature or wanna pay me to come to their school over another school then who the f**k are you to tell me I can't?

I understand the big schools making money without having to pay the athletes. However in the case of college football you only have 57% of schools turning a profit off football. Furthermore only 12% of all collegiate athletic programs are in fact profitable. So if you start paying football players you've opened the floodgates for every other sport the overwhelming majority of which are not profitable.

This would lead to programs cutting out sports all together and kids not getting a chance to earn a scholarship because a scholarship isn't good enough for a bunch of primma donnas that don't want to wait for the NFL or NBA.

Granted something should be done to further help the kids that come from poor backgrounds, however I can't support paying colleigate athletes across the board as it simply sets a terrible precedent. Trust me, anyone thats gotten the bill for a college education knows it's not free. These kids aren't walking away empty handed, except for the ones that would rather party then go to class.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by WestCoastSkinsFan

Even if a rule is stupid, it's a rule to be obeyed. You can talk about having it overturned, sure, but don't go and break it unless you're willing to deal with the consequences.

Speaking of not-so-smart things, how about throwing away potential millions of dollars due to being a higher round draft pick for an easy $40k a year? THAT seems like the big bungle on this one.

Preach

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

If people wanna pay me for my signature or wanna pay me to come to their school over another school then who the f**k are you to tell me I can't?

The same people who are allowing you to play football. You have two options.

1) Play football and abide by rules
2) Don't play football


At some point, I"ll start a thread on the merits of paying players and you'll see where I'm coming from.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You can disagree that Ohio State was a pro-style offense, but that means venturing into the definition of a pro-style offense, we can just agree to disagree on that point then, although I think its fairly obvious that Ohio State is a pro-style offense especially considering the number of college teams running the spread or spread variants.

I get your point about pro-style vs. spread and agree. What I consider pro-style would be ND (w/Weis), Stanford, USC, etc. I view their passing games as more advanced/elaborate. Ohio St., Wisconsin, LSU, they're more smack you in the mouth and beat you over the top with a blazing WR off play-action.

Your top level QBs in college may have a bad game here or there, but generally not 3 out of 12 in a season. Normally with the guys that transition successfully to the NFL may not light up the scoreboard against a top flight D, but their numbers aren't consistently bad against those teams either.

You make no mention of his physical skillset and that is a major factor in how QB prospects are judged.

I'm not into the prediction business so I'm not gonna guess wether Pryor develops or not.
But, Pryor does have an NFL skillset, and if you could get him for a 6th round pick , which isn't considered much different then an UDFA then that would be great value in my book.

No question he's a tremendous athlete with great size, but I don't think he'll transition to the QB spot in the NFL. I do agree with you on the 6th rounder though, if that's all it takes, why not.

The question the OP didn't ask is: would Pryor be a fit for Kyle's offense? The answer to that question imo is no

agree

[skins89moss]

I just watched the Big Ten Channel Ohio St vs Wisconsin replay football game. TP has a little Vince Young in his game. may not be the most accurate qb but just wins games. I also think he had a weak WR corp this past season at Ohio St. I like his size and his mobility and I think he can get better with a full time QB coach. I say he is a low risk high reward for a 4th-5th rd supplemental draft pick. If not TP then make a move when the Titans release VY. All VY does is win games.

[freddyg12]

Question for the supp. draft, if he's eligible, is what will Al Davis bid? I think he offers a 3rd.

Now that I think of it, what happens if there's a supplemental draft, but then the new cba doesn't include a draft?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I understand the big schools making money without having to pay the athletes. However in the case of college football you only have 57% of schools turning a profit off football. Furthermore only 12% of all collegiate athletic programs are in fact profitable. So if you start paying football players you've opened the floodgates for every other sport the overwhelming majority of which are not profitable.

This would lead to programs cutting out sports all together and kids not getting a chance to earn a scholarship because a scholarship isn't good enough for a bunch of primma donnas that don't want to wait for the NFL or NBA.

Granted something should be done to further help the kids that come from poor backgrounds, however I can't support paying colleigate athletes across the board as it simply sets a terrible precedent. Trust me, anyone thats gotten the bill for a college education knows it's not free. These kids aren't walking away empty handed, except for the ones that would rather party then go to class.

Well said. I would add that some of these guys (e.g., see the Fab 5 movie on espn) just don't understand the concept of "amateur" or apprenticeship work. They are not the only people on campus that work hard but don't reap financial rewards in the present.

Top universities are full of 6 figure salary profs that have a lot of research & even classroom teaching done by their grad. assistants. I know a lot of grad assistants are getting paid a very small salary, but that usually is factored into part of their tuition/cost of living.

With these grad students, just as w/big time college athletes, the payoff is the education, experience & exposure they get that leads to gainful employment.

[BuckSkin]

Let's just say that there is no supplemental draft. Is it likely that Pryor could enter camp as an UDFA? If you think about it, it could benefit this ass-clown hand pick his destination. With that in mind, there would be zero chance he signs for any position but QB.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Some of these NCAA rules make about as much sense as McDonalds charging me 25 cents for a cup of water when a cup of ice is free.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Some of these NCAA rules make about as much sense as McDonalds charging me 25 cents for a cup of water when a cup of ice is free.

You're talking about a situation designed to make the top 1% of athletes happy. Again you start paying athletes and suddenly other sports that provide kids with scholarships and educations get cut. Swimming, softball, soccer, tennis. Schools would directly be attempting to buy championships

Many schools would be forced to cut a lot of these sports that fail to generate revenue so they could pay their football and male basketball players. In fact many football programs across the country would be dropped all together seeing as how only 57% generate revenue. Tuition is already high enough, why should everyone else pay for these kids to drive around in cars and paint their bodies with tatoos when they're already getting paid to get an education?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BuckSkin

Let's just say that there is no supplemental draft. Is it likely that Pryor could enter camp as an UDFA? If you think about it, it could benefit this ass-clown hand pick his destination. With that in mind, there would be zero chance he signs for any position but QB.

Well based on the language of the new CBA, anything is possible. But the status quo is that he'd have to wait for the 2012 draft to go by to sign an NFL contract.