Where does D. Hall rate as a CB for the Redskins all time?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Of course your arguement about Hall not developing more positive for his negative is funny. Since when we winning two games basically by yourself not more positive? You are just focused more on the negative of Hall then anything else. I could do the same for almost every player on the Redskins roster.

Do it. I dare you.

Revis and Nnamdi were not part of the 31st ranked defense at least in small part because they weren't playing across from DeAngelo Hall. Carlos Rogers had no such luck.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Revis and Nnamdi were also not part of the 31st ranked defense last year which teams were able to run against at will, and the only pass rush we could ever assemble was with Orakpo. Not to mention his help over the top was Doughty, Horton, and Moore.

I do believe Hall will have a outstanding season. I started this thread because like I said, for every stat you bring out, I cant can continue to develop more also.

My thoughts exactly. For every stat someone points to that says Hall is a bum, there's another one that would suggest otherwise. It is what it is.

I'm glad we got him and I think it's safe to say whenever D.Hall takes one back to the house, even the most skeptical among us will be thrilled with the results.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do it. I dare you.

Revis and Nnamdi were not part of the 31st ranked defense at least in small part because they weren't playing across from DeAngelo Hall. Carlos Rogers had no such luck.

So it seems like you're laying our low defensive ranking squarely at the feet of Deangelo Hall. If that's the argument you're mounting, I'd be interested in hearing how you arrive at that conclusion.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

My thoughts exactly. For every stat someone points to that says Hall is a bum, there's another one that would suggest otherwise. It is what it is.

This is 100% not true, which is exactly why you've seen a lack of partisan stats brought forward by the people who are spending most of their afternoon defending Hall's play. Clearly, it is not for a lack of effort on their part. It's just a lack of information to support their position.

It is what it is.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

By the way, the "accepted" yardage conversion for an interception, if you assume 100% credit to the interceptor, is 45 yards. You could argue that either way, but that's the number that people who work with stats seem to be comfortable with. No, it's not set in stone.

5 x 45 = 225 yards created by DeAngelo Hall through his interceptions in 2010. If you want to add in his two TDs at 20 yards per event, we're up to 265 yards of value "created" by DeAngelo Hall in 2010. Eyeballing that, this is somewhere between half a win and a win added to the 2010 Redskins thanks to positive plays by DeAngelo Hall.

This all assumes that Jay Cutler and Johnnie Knox/Devin Hester were at zero percent fault for those four INTs in Chicago.

How many times are WR's or QB's not at fault during a INT? See? You're arguement is totally biased on the fact that all your negative approach toward D. Hall is based on your OWN belief that he's not a good CB for the Redskins.

In that total yardage allowed by Hall.. How many times did Moore, or Doughty/Horton blow coverage and not help over the top? How many times did the QB have more then 3 seconds to throw, or were we in Zone coverage? Blitz?

It's all biased statistical information and not even halfway accurate to what D. Hall actually does on the field. He produces plays..

2 defensive TD's, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl MVP, 16 pass deflection, 6 INT's, and 95 tackles. All on the 31st ranked defense in the NFL

Sorry but there is not much more to argue about that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So it seems like you're laying our low defensive ranking squarely at the feet of Deangelo Hall. If that's the argument you're mounting, I'd be interested in hearing how you arrive at that conclusion.

The 31st total ranking is entirely based on total yards against. DeAngelo Hall gives up more yards against than any other corner. The correlation between the Redskins hemmorhaging yards and Hall's performance is a perfect one.

No one thinks Hall is the only problem, that's just you twisting the argument I'm making. But no one player is responsible for lowing his teams defensive ranking than DeAngelo Hall, at least according to game charting numbers. Lets stick only to the facts and leave emotions out of it.

Remember, the NFL yards rankings dont include INTs or touchdowns, so if you think those are valuable things then Hall simply doesn't play on the second worst defense in the league. His teammates have their issues, but they're much better than bucket is giving them credit for.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

How many times are WR's or QB's not at fault during a INT? See? You're arguement is totally biased on the fact that all your negative approach toward D. Hall is based on your OWN belief that he's not a good CB for the Redskins.

In that total yardage allowed by Hall.. How many times did Moore, or Doughty/Horton blow coverage and not help over the top? How many times did the QB have more then 3 seconds to throw, or were we in Zone coverage? Blitz?

It's all biased statistical information and not even halfway accurate to what D. Hall actually does on the field. He produces plays..

2 defensive TD's, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl MVP, 16 pass deflection, 6 INT's, and 95 tackles. All on the 31st ranked defense in the NFL

Sorry but there is not much more to argue about that.

LOL at pro bowl MVP. Quit with the biased crap. Stick to facts.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do it. I dare you.

Revis and Nnamdi were not part of the 31st ranked defense at least in small part because they weren't playing across from DeAngelo Hall. Carlos Rogers had no such luck.

Alexander
Rocky
Moore
Doughty
Carter
Albert

I can make 100 reasons why more of the issue was in this area to our 31st ranked defense more then D. Hall.

You're being totally biased lol, I gtg to work.. Ill lawl at your "facts' later

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

LOL at pro bowl MVP. Quit with the biased crap. Stick to facts.

But see you laugh at the facts and stats Bucket produced, while at the same time holding up your own "facts" and stats to prove otherwise.

Is the real argument you're right and we're wrong?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Alexander
Rocky
Moore
Doughty
Carter
Albert

I can make 100 reasons why more of the issue was in this area to our 31st ranked defense more then D. Hall.

You're being totally biased lol, I gtg to work.. Ill lawl at your "facts' later

Kyle Wilson
Jason Taylor
Eric Smith
Dwight Lowery
Vernon Gholston

Jets are a top five ranked defense by yards.

[Lotus]

DHall is the new Jason Campbell. JC was so middle-of-the-road that lovers found plenty to love, haters found plenty to hate, and therefore endless arguments resulted. For different reasons, of course, DHall polarizes the fan base in just the same way.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But see you laugh at the facts and stats Bucket produced, while at the same time holding up your own "facts" and stats to prove otherwise.

Is the real argument you're right and we're wrong?

What in the heck did bucket produce?? How is that any way comparable to what I did. It's disrespectful to me that you'd consider that similar. He's talking about individual honors bestowed upon a player while I'm talking about on-field performance. Things that happen during games.

Which matters more? This is not a trick question.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

DHall is the new Jason Campbell. JC was so middle-of-the-road that lovers found plenty to love, haters found plenty to hate, and therefore endless arguments resulted. For different reasons, of course, DHall polarizes the fan base in just the same way.

In some sense I even take exception to that comparison for many reasons. But namely I can't remember one game where Jason Campbell put the team on his back and single-handedly drove the team to victory or he was the deciding factor in a victorious outcome. I think it's safe to say, D.Hall has produced a few of those games in his short time as a Redskin.

But I'm done with this thread and this argument. I'm starting to sound like D.Hall is the second coming of Christ and that's not the position I'm taking at all.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Do it. I dare you.

Revis and Nnamdi were not part of the 31st ranked defense at least in small part because they weren't playing across from DeAngelo Hall. Carlos Rogers had no such luck.

CB play was the least responsible area for that entire unit's 31st ranking. Saftey, LB and a league worst DL far more responsible for that ranking. Maybe if Fat Alberta woulda acted like a man maybe the DL woulda been better.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But I'm done with this thread and this argument. I'm starting to sound like D.Hall is the second coming of Christ and that's not the position I'm taking at all.

12th, I have great respect for you for doing this. Even though we disagree, you've proven to be the "bigger" man.

I'll be back in this thread before long, ttyl.