'Occupy' types

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Your youtube video isn't displaying bro.

[saden1]

The bottom line is the more attention you pay to these people the more attention they will seek and require. Ignore them and they will go away.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by saden1

The bottom line is the more attention you pay to these people the more attention they will seek and require. Ignore them and they will go away.

kind of like sarah palin?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Your youtube video isn't displaying bro.

Freaking Tapatalk. Will fix it in the morning

[That Guy]

I think the biggest problem is there's no real agenda... it's cool to be pissed off, but if you don't have any specific demands, what exactly are you wasting your time for?

and i mean, do you guys know what a hachet job is? back when the temperance movement was trying to ban alcohol, women would literally mob up and go into bars and warehouses and destroy them... break every mirror, smash every bottle, hack open every keg. and they kept doing it until they started getting their way.

protests since WWI have generally been almost completely violence free (maybe MLK's example helped?), but back in the days of Main Street and pre-prohibition america, it was an entirely different story.

The protesters that got their way had a focused goal - better working conditions, the right to vote, equality under law, etc etc

The OWS have support in that a LOT of americans are unhappy with the country, the government, corporate influence and backscratching (bailouts et al), but there's no endgame or proposed solution, so it's pointless. And i'm not sure the movement's been set up so that it can be lead either.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I think the biggest problem is there's no real agenda... it's cool to be pissed off, but if you don't have any specific demands, what exactly are you wasting your time for?

and i mean, do you guys know what a hachet job is? back when the temperance movement was trying to ban alcohol, women would literally mob up and go into bars and warehouses and destroy them... break every mirror, smash every bottle, hack open every keg. and they kept doing it until they started getting their way.

protests since WWI have generally been almost completely violence free (maybe MLK's example helped?), but back in the days of Main Street and pre-prohibition america, it was an entirely different story.

The protesters that got their way had a focused goal - better working conditions, the right to vote, equality under law, etc etc

The OWS have support in that a LOT of americans are unhappy with the country, the government, corporate influence and backscratching (bailouts et al), but there's no endgame or proposed solution, so it's pointless. And i'm not sure the movement's been set up so that it can be lead either.

Very well said

[hooskins]

I agree with some of their more thought out positions and not just this everything is evil position. I think OWS relishes this decentralized agenda-less structure. Easier to move, mobilize and get support that way. To make any real change they would need to organize themselves but many of them are liberatarian or anarchists they would have to move away from their Utopian ideals to have a real voice.

[JoeRedskin]

That Guy, hooskins - well said.

John Lennon's message to the Occupiers:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

That Guy, hooskins - well said.

John Lennon's message to the Occupiers:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

[NC_Skins]

[NC_Skins]

Why 'occupy'? It's personal - CNN.com

In the meantime, corporate profits are at an all-time high, but corporations are paying lower taxes than ever before. Some aren't paying any at all. This week, we see banks tacking on extra fees -- which, contrary to what they argue, would lead them to 13% more in profits than they were making before the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act went into effect. At the same time, CEOs, while also making record amounts of money (the average CEO makes $11 million a year while the average person makes $40,000), have laid off millions of Americans while sending our jobs overseas. These are not nameless, faceless Americans. They are our neighbors, our friends and even our families. It is personal.

Republicans continue to protect this twisted system. And to add insult to injury, Republican legislators and the GOP presidential candidates want to eliminate the protections the middle class gained from the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act passed by Democrats and signed by Obama.

On job creators? Who are they? The majority of job creation comes from our small businesses, none of which are raking in the salaries of the top 1% of wealthy Americans. So asking the top 1% of wealthy Americans to pay their fair share and pay at least as high a tax rate as their workers is not class warfare or an attack on "job creators" or socialism. It is in fact the American way. And America agrees.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Why 'occupy'? It's personal - CNN.com

I know this will never change your mind/views, but it's as hypocritical as the day is long for you to lecture us (particularly conservatives) about how you "don't care about D vs. R, Red vs. Blue", etc. and we're all so stupid we don't know the "Man" is pitting us against each other while he keeps us down.

....Yet many of your posts lean far left and you post an article from a Democratic strategist who was a comms director at the DNC and a senior advisor to Hillary that bashes the GOP in several spots and glosses over the fact that campaign contributions made by major corporations split almost evenly between D & R pols. It completely blames the GOP for the current state of affairs, which couldn't be further from the truth since the Ds have controlled Congress for quite sometime.

It's conservatives who want a restructuring of our tax system to take out loopholes that would make high end earners "pay their fair share" rather than get hit with a high % on paper that they "loophole" their way out of down to single digits in many cases.

It's conservatives who want to lower or remove corporate taxes to get jobs back home to the U.S. to raise the income of folks across all tax brackets. It's conservatives who want to reign in spending & entitlement programs which will bankrupt the country and leave little to nothing for future generations....across all tax brackets.

Instead of the OWS clowns (Lotus I get that there are smart, respectable folks who identify with OWS, but those folks aren't sleeping in parks, urinating wherever, and aren't co-op'ed by ACORN, SEIU, CAIR and whatever other group wants some airtime) sleeping in public places and acting like hippies, how about they identify the corporations with high dollar CEOs & board members then publicize how much they make vs. the company performance. Let the American people who buy the products or have the stock in their 401Ks make the decsion to keep subsidizing their bad behavior or not. We have an election coming up, how about they define a list of laws, regulations, policies they believe will begin to close the disparity between CEO and secretary, get that out in front of the American people and let them make the choice in Nov.

This article you posted is more of the same D bashing R that you've stated before is missing the point. This "pay their fair share", raise the tax rate on high earners nonsense just puts more money in the hands of the politicans that have created this mess and solves nothing.

Edit: all that being said, the picture was pretty damn funny.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I know this will never change your mind/views, but it's as hypocritical as the day is long for you to lecture us (particularly conservatives) about how you "don't care about D vs. R, Red vs. Blue", etc. and we're all so stupid we don't know the "Man" is pitting us against each other while he keeps us down.

....Yet many of your posts lean far left and you post an article from a Democratic strategist who was a comms director at the DNC and a senior advisor to Hillary that bashes the GOP in several spots and glosses over the fact that campaign contributions made by major corporations split almost evenly between D & R pols. It completely blames the GOP for the current state of affairs, which couldn't be further from the truth since the Ds have controlled Congress for quite sometime.

I haven't said you are stupid so stop implying it. I do however have to question anybody who still uses Fox as a news source. I understand you are conservative and a Republican, but you have fallen into that trap of the "Blame game". You want a good news source. Try here: BBC News - US & Canada

That article wasn't to point out the fallacies of the Republican party. You have to learn to take out the Repub vs Dem bullshit out to get the grit of the story. Yes the story was definitely pointing fingers at the GOP, but I didn't walk away thinking, "you know, the GOP is responsible". No, they ALL are responsible. I walked away from the story with the notion that, IT IS PERSONAL. (the OWS movement)

The two party system is a complete failure at this point. It's no longer about doing what's right for America, it's about which side can show up the other side by mud slinging and detracting the citizens from the core issues at hand.


My posts lean left because my views slightly leans left. That doesn't I support the liberal party (aka...donkey). There is a difference between having liberal views and supporting the liberal democratic party.

[MTK]

Well said as usual Lotus.

[over the mountain]

yeah gesus lotus . . very well thought out and written. something an op ed in wash po strives to be.