How much have we improved player personnel?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Overall
My biggest hole is Center I hope Reiter or Long can make a move at Center similar to what Moses did at RT. Maybe even an udfa can upgrade the position.....

......All other spots on the roster I am comfortable with and even if the season started today I would be OK with Lichty at center and hope the d-line can remain healthy.

Although the personnel hasn't been upgraded I think the OL will be better. Last year in conjunction with the scheme they were a good pass blocking unit and with continuity I see improvement or at the very least status quo of a solid unit.

For me Lauvao and Licht are candidates for release. I think Long is more then ready to take over at LG or could take over at Center and be imo an upgrade. Although Le Rib isn't a world beater I think he's equal if not better then Kory (especially in the run game). Then there's the Alabama kid who could challenge for Center or challenge for LG if they move Long to center.

Next hole is DT. Maybe ionnodis (spelling) can improve here maybe even Gallete and the Corner play can also buy another half second or full second to get some added pressure.

I don't think the DL has improved. But, I don't think they lost a lot. From my research I think the DL was better, especially in the run game then people give them credit for. Baker, was stout when Knighton was out (although I read somewhere that he does not want to play NT [source?]). My boy, Hatcher was basically a pass rusher only while Ricky Jean was solid against the run. I don't think we've lost much in terms of run stopping.

My question is replacing Hatcher's interior pass rush. This could come from several places. The best bet is a healthy Stephen Paea who is historically a good interior rusher. Other options are a return to form Kendell Reyes.

Early on I assumed that Matt Ionniddis would play 5-tech in base and 3-tech in sub/nickel 4-man line. But, I've heard Jay and/or Scott say that he could play NT.

I could actually see Matt have success at NT in this scheme because its not based 2-gap scheme. AND being a rookie that 'I don't want to play NT' factor is not existent. From what I've read his mentality is right for NT and plus he's a rook and will be eager to perform in any role.

Base front could be something like:

RDE-Paea/Ricky NT-Ionniddis/Golston LDE-Baker/Reyes

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Although the personnel hasn't been upgraded I think the OL will be better. Last year in conjunction with the scheme they were a good pass blocking unit and with continuity I see improvement or at the very least status quo of a solid unit.

For me Lauvao and Licht are candidates for release. I think Long is more then ready to take over at LG or could take over at Center and be imo an upgrade. Although Le Rib isn't a world beater I think he's equal if not better then Kory (especially in the run game). Then there's the Alabama kid who could challenge for Center or challenge for LG if they move Long to center.

I don't think the DL has improved. But, I don't think they lost a lot. From my research I think the DL was better, especially in the run game then people give them credit for. Baker, was stout when Knighton was out (although I read somewhere that he does not want to play NT [source?]). My boy, Hatcher was basically a pass rusher only while Ricky Jean was solid against the run. I don't think we've lost much in terms of run stopping.

My question is replacing Hatcher's interior pass rush. This could come from several places. The best bet is a healthy Stephen Paea who is historically a good interior rusher. Other options are a return to form Kendell Reyes.

Early on I assumed that Matt Ionniddis would play 5-tech in base and 3-tech in sub/nickel 4-man line. But, I've heard Jay and/or Scott say that he could play NT.

I could actually see Matt have success at NT in this scheme because its not based 2-gap scheme. AND being a rookie that 'I don't want to play NT' factor is not existent. From what I've read his mentality is right for NT and plus he's a rook and will be eager to perform in any role.

Base front could be something like:

RDE-Paea/Ricky NT-Ionniddis/Golston LDE-Baker/Reyes

to the bolded part, I completely disagree . . . IMO, "Le Rib" was a much better pass blocker than Luovo, but Luovo moves much better and was far better in the run game . . . the Skins running game fell apart after he got hurt

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skins3

...RB- I like Marshall better the Jones. Jones has to hold on to the ball. I like both just love the speed Marshall has.

WR- I think is the strongest deepest position on the team. Last year we skipped a beat with d- Jack out Doctson allows one of the starters to go down and us not skip a beat. I think the tandem moving forward is Doctson and Jackson. My personal favorite of the group is Garcon.

TE- Reed and Davis will be extremely hard to cover at the same time I only think Davis has 1 good year left in him hopefully he has more with being somewhat 2nd string maybe more of a insurance deal if reed can't stay healthy. Be interesting who all makes the team. I look to see Reed Davis Carrier to make the team depending on recovery time. Not a big fan of Niles paul.

I think the receiving corps got a huge bump with the addition of Josh Doctson and Vernon Davis.

Doctson was my favorite WR prospect in the entire draft. I think he'll compete/challenge and he'll play. Imo he's good enough to challenge Garcon and Crowder for reps immediately. And my guess will be they will gradually fade the offense away from Garcon and more to Doc.
Net-net. Going from DeSean, Garcon and Crowder to DeSean, Garcon, Crowder and Docston makes a 4 deep WR group that compares well against most teams top 4 wideouts.

Having Reed on the field together with Davis allows the offense to disguise run/pass better then last year and provides 2 TE targets that can attack the seams.

Olb- Between these guys and the corners the are the best this defense has. Can't wait to see Kerrigan and Gallete play opposite each other. Could be 30 sack combo with just them 2.

For the past 2 seasons we've been teased with the chance to have 2 very good pass rushing OLB paired with 2 good interior pass rushers. Someone has always managed to get hurt Gallette or Paea. Now we lost an interior rusher in Hatcher. But, I'm thinking on passing downs you kick Preston Smith inside with Paea and have Junior and Ryan bring the heat from the edges. I'm excited to see these dogs hunt this year.

Ilb- this unit is also could use an upgrade Compton and foster did play well down the stretch getting Riley back from an injury may help a little possibly the lb we drafted last year that go injured in training camp will make a move to get in the lineup. Marcus.

Imo this unit was a major culprit in the poor run defense. Mason Foster based on his run defense alone seems like he deserves an ILB spot. For me the other ILB spot should be manned by another solid run stopper. Riley or rookie Stephen Daniels (who was tackling machine in college) for me are better fits then Compton in this regard.

DBs- this position could have gone from weakest to strongest in 2015 to 2016....... Safety is also a ? Hall and cravens is who I see starting at safety Ihenacho was playing well before he got hurt will be interesting to see who does start of those 3.

I wouldn't count out David Bruton either. Whether its Cravens or Bruton, tackling from the SS improves automatically over Dashon. Hall looks to be making a successful transition from CB to FS. I'm looking forward to the new S tandem. My guess to start the season in base: Hall + Bruton then eventually Hall + Cravens. 'Big nickel' Sub package: Hall + Bruton +Cravens @ nickel S for a LB.

Defense has the potential to be top 10 if they are top 5 I would be extremely suprised.

Yards or points or both? I'm bullish on the pass defense but the run game needs fixed.

[dbrown]

I don't think there's any question that the Redskins have improved personnel on offense. Let alone having Cousins another year experience in the system. I think the big question mark is on the defense side of the ball. Every year we always hear that they improved the defense and every year they look terrible. I feel like I'm encouraged, but want to see the proof on the field.

[calia]

Originally Posted by dbrown

I don't think there's any question that the Redskins have improved personnel on offense. Let alone having Cousins another year experience in the system. I think the big question mark is on the defense side of the ball. Every year we always hear that they improved the defense and every year they look terrible. I feel like I'm encouraged, but want to see the proof on the field.

I agree with this. I would guess that we will see only modest improvement -- (1) adding Norman and Breeland with another year of experience ought to make for a much better CB situation, (2) safety is still a work in progress, although Cravens and a healthy Ihenacho are encouraging steps in the right direction, (3) our ILB situation is basically the same (which is not encouraging), unless Spaight can have an impact (please), (4) our OLB situation ought to be better with Gallette in the fold, and (5) the DL has perhaps taken a step back without replacements for Hatcher (who was moderately effective; not sure Murphy is ready to step into those shoes) and Knighton (who was just OK). So better in the CB and OLB positions but likely worse at DL and uncertain as to the other positions. Not expecting big improvement.

[30gut]

Pro Football Focus predicts Redskins will have same record as Cowboys - Hogs Haven

7. Washington (9-7)

In 2015, Washington somewhat overachieved, considering their roster. While they added CB Josh Norman from Carolina, which should be a big help to their defensive backfield, they also lost talent on defense. Terrance Knighton was one of their best run-defenders, and Jason Hatcher was one of their best pass-rushers, and neither remain on the roster. On offense, Alfred Morris was their highest-graded running back, and he was also lost over the offseason (signed with Dallas). Others in the division improved at more positions, which will make it difficult for Washington to repeat as NFC East champs.

[DYoungJelly]

Hatcher was going to get cut. Missed games the last two years because he is injured and old. He is another year older and is likely to be more injured and miss more games.

Alf and Knighton signed what amounts to very modest one year prove it deals:

Terrance Knighton Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap
Alfred Morris Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap

McLovin didn't want these guys on the roster. There was plenty of room to sign these guys for more than they got elsewhere.

We didn't LOSE them, McLovin DIDN'T WANT THEM.

I don't disagree with the 9-7 prediction because of the much tougher schedule but it's not going to be attributable to not have three players the GM didn't want.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Hatcher was going to get cut. Missed games the last two years because he is injured and old. He is another year older and is likely to be more injured and miss more games.

Alf and Knighton signed what amounts to very modest one year prove it deals:

Terrance Knighton Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap
Alfred Morris Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap

McLovin didn't want these guys on the roster. There was plenty of room to sign these guys for more than they got elsewhere.

We didn't LOSE them, McLovin DIDN'T WANT THEM.

I don't disagree with the 9-7 prediction because of the much tougher schedule but it's not going to be attributable to not have three players the GM didn't want.

Everything I wanted to say about that article but I was to lazy to write. Poor reporting.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Hatcher was going to get cut. Missed games the last two years because he is injured and old. He is another year older and is likely to be more injured and miss more games.

Alf and Knighton signed what amounts to very modest one year prove it deals:

Terrance Knighton Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap
Alfred Morris Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap

McLovin didn't want these guys on the roster. There was plenty of room to sign these guys for more than they got elsewhere.

We didn't LOSE them, McLovin DIDN'T WANT THEM.

I don't disagree with the 9-7 prediction because of the much tougher schedule but it's not going to be attributable to not have three players the GM didn't want.

The PFF debate rages on. I'll simply agree with you that the numbers don't happen in a vacuum. The numbers are the numbers but the author failed to put those numbers in context for his readers.

If the players in question had produced outstanding numbers, then there would be a stronger case for re-signing them. The Skins are building a younger team they hope will compete for years, so it makes no sense for the Skins to keep older, more expensive players unless they can produce at a high level in comparison to the entire league. It doesn't mean much that Hatcher and Morris surpassed their under-performing teammates at their respective positions.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Hatcher was going to get cut. Missed games the last two years because he is injured and old. He is another year older and is likely to be more injured and miss more games.

Alf and Knighton signed what amounts to very modest one year prove it deals:

Terrance Knighton Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap
Alfred Morris Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap

McLovin didn't want these guys on the roster. There was plenty of room to sign these guys for more than they got elsewhere.

We didn't LOSE them, McLovin DIDN'T WANT THEM.

I don't disagree with the 9-7 prediction because of the much tougher schedule but it's not going to be attributable to not have three players the GM didn't want.

Gruden didn't want Morris either. That was obvious when he got here and it was more obvious last year.

[Schneed10]

The problem with PFF's analytics is that they use them to conclude on what teams are losing when a player leaves. It's not wrong to say Alfred Morris and Jason Hatcher had value for us, it's just incomplete, because you have to consider what their replacements will do once they move into the starting lineup. Their analytics can't tell you that.

I personally don't see us losing anything by going from Morris to Jones. If Jones fumbles at the same rate he did last year, then problem. Otherwise, as he's drilling on it hard, no problem.

The DL I do have questions about, but our run defense sucked even with Knighton and Hatcher in there. PFF has no basis to conclude that rotating in Golston, Reyes, Ionnidis and Paea will be the same, worse, or better.

[RedskinJake]

I wouldn't be surprised to see us at 8-8 this year. That doesn't mean we went backwards. This is a tough schedule with a roster that isn't yet complete. If they play well down the stretch and end up better than .500 I think we could win a playoff game or two.. You never know how it's going to go, teams that are graded high now might struggle and the schedule might not be as tough as it looks today. It also could be ridiculously tough if a few teams get a spark. That's why they play the games. Be careful to manage your expectations. Be excited but be aware that 8-8 might be an improvement.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

I wouldn't be surprised to see us at 8-8 this year. That doesn't mean we went backwards. This is a tough schedule with a roster that isn't yet complete. If they play well down the stretch and end up better than .500 I think we could win a playoff game or two.. You never know how it's going to go, teams that are graded high now might struggle and the schedule might not be as tough as it looks today. It also could be ridiculously tough if a few teams get a spark. That's why they play the games. Be careful to manage your expectations. Be excited but be aware that 8-8 might be an improvement.

Agree 100%.

That being said . . .

The year the Giants beat the Pats in the Superbowl they finished the regular season 9-7.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The problem with PFF's analytics is that they use them to conclude on what teams are losing when a player leaves. It's not wrong to say Alfred Morris and Jason Hatcher had value for us, it's just incomplete, because you have to consider what their replacements will do once they move into the starting lineup. Their analytics can't tell you that.

I personally don't see us losing anything by going from Morris to Jones. If Jones fumbles at the same rate he did last year, then problem. Otherwise, as he's drilling on it hard, no problem.

The DL I do have questions about, but our run defense sucked even with Knighton and Hatcher in there. PFF has no basis to conclude that rotating in Golston, Reyes, Ionnidis and Paea will be the same, worse, or better.

Spot on, on all three points.

[Evilgrin]

9-7 would be an improvement, they have a nutty schedule.