The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Um ask Canuck

Paging CrazyCanuck...paging CrazyCanuck!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Lets get an incentive laden deal that offers a big pay day to Weeden if he can find a way to become 5 or 6 years younger.

Excellent idea. The De Soto Clause.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Hhhhmmmm....OK! So if no incentives were reached in year one of the contract, you'd still have to roll the entire ceiling over to the next season? So, if you had $40 million to count against the salary cap this season, none of it was reached, you'd still have to turn around and count it again the following season? So, if $10 million was reached this year, then $30 million would count against the salary cap in season two? So forth and so on? Couldn't you write something in the contract that says this particular incentive loses its value the longer it takes to be achieved? So for instance, if the incentive was Peyton Manning sends us to the Super Bowl in the first year, he will receive an incentive of $50 million dollars. However, if the 'skins don't go to the Super Bowl this year, that incentive gets devalued to $30 million in year two of the contract, so forth and so on? Would that be legal?

Higskin's post seems to confirm the incentive rules haven't changed.

It's not that complicated:

- If an incentive is "likely to be earned' it counts right away against the cap, with a credit the following year if the incentive is unreached.

- If an incentive is "unlikely to be earned" it won't count against the cap in the current year. It will count against the cap the following year if the incentive is reached.

... and any incentive involving the Redskins winning the Super Bowl would definitely be deemed "unlikely".

[Higskin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If we sign Peyton Manning I wouldn't draft a QB in rounds 1-3.

Those picks would be better spent trying to add pieces to improve the team.

I would target developmental QB starting round 4 and down.

I'm in Gut's camp on a lower round QB. We're only going to get a developmental rookie QB for 4-yrs (rookie contacts) and IF Manning signs here healthy, we've got him for 2-3. Spend those higher picks on supporting cast and look to acquire a 2nd tier guy like Claussen or Hoyer as a backup. They could then tinker with a no-risk 6th or 7th round QB.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Higskin's post seems to confirm the incentive rules haven't changed.

It's not that complicated:

- If an incentive is "likely to be earned' it counts right away against the cap, with a credit the following year if the incentive is unreached.

- If an incentive is "unlikely to be earned" it won't count against the cap in the current year. It will count against the cap the following year if the incentive is reached.

... and any incentive involving the Redskins winning the Super Bowl would definitely be deemed "unlikely".

OK, sorry for asking so many questions, but I wanted to make sure I got this right. So a $40 million incentive that was likely to be earned this season but wasn't, is credit back to next season, meaning you're $40 million more under next year's cap simply by an incentive not reached in the prior season?

On the flip side, If that player exceeds all expectations, and looks like he could possibly earn those incentives "unlikely to be earned" - and those incentives were spread out throughout the life of the contract, a team could possibly turn those incentives into guaranteed money if they wanted to free up salary cap space for a future season?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

So a $40 million incentive that was likely to be earned this season but wasn't, is credit back to next season, meaning you're $40 million more under next year's cap simply by an incentive not reached in the prior season?

On the flip side, If that player exceeds all expectations, and looks like he could possibly earn those incentives "unlikely to be earned" - and those incentives were spread out throughout the life of the contract, a team could possibly turn those incentives into guaranteed money if they wanted to free up salary cap space for a future season?

Not sure I totally understand your questions so I'll use an example.

A. We give Peyton a $10M incentive if he throws 20 TD passes in 2012. This would be deemed "likely". $10M would count against our 2012 cap. If he failed to throw 20 TDs then we would get the $10M back on our 2013 cap.

B. We give Peyton a $20M incentive if the Skins win the Super Bowl in 2012. This would be deemed "unlikely". Nothing would count against our 2012 cap. If we did win the SB in 2012, then the $20M would come off our 2013 cap.

[iRepDMV]

Has any one seen the post on Hogs Haven about a guy who ran into Jim Haslett and apparently had the opportunity to discuss the Redskins offseason plans. Sorry I tried to post the link but it wasnt working. Apparently:

-They have no interest in Matt Flynn
-They are not at all impressed with the other QBs in this years draft besides RG3 and Luck
-They are strongly considering trading up with the Rams and have already contacted Jeff Fisher
-The Manning to the Redskins talk is no joke. Bruce Allen apparently has had discussions with Indy organization members.
-Rex Grossman most likely may remain a Redskin.

If someone can properly post the link, it would be much appreciated.

[iRepDMV]

I just realized I couldnt post a link because i didnt have 10+ post yet lol

[iRepDMV]

Now im able to post the link haha. Sorry if you guys already seen this post.

I Ran Into Jim Haslett and We Talked QB Draft, Manning, Trading Up - Hogs Haven

[diehard]

Originally Posted by iRepDMV

Now im able to post the link haha. Sorry if you guys already seen this post.

I Ran Into Jim Haslett and We Talked QB Draft, Manning, Trading Up - Hogs Haven

One, if I knew Haslett was 20 mins away from me, I would've been there too. But, on a serious note, I'm not sure if I would've spilled the beans in the manner Rodskins did. I would've protected Haslett from his neighborly talk in the form of anonmynity. Shit happens though.

[MTK]

already posted here

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post883241

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Not sure I totally understand your questions so I'll use an example.

A. We give Peyton a $10M incentive if he throws 20 TD passes in 2012. This would be deemed "likely". $10M would count against our 2012 cap. If he failed to throw 20 TDs then we would get the $10M back on our 2013 cap.

B. We give Peyton a $20M incentive if the Skins win the Super Bowl in 2012. This would be deemed "unlikely". Nothing would count against our 2012 cap. If we did win the SB in 2012, then the $20M would come off our 2013 cap.

Gotcha...that makes sense to me.

[Higskin]

Reference Manning to Skins vs Phins:

Right now Skins are looking at ~94mil against an unknown 2012 cap but everyone is estimating ~$121 - $125mil. Miami is ~ $117mil. Each team gets back an unused portion from 2011, said to be $13.6mil for Skins and $3mil for Phins. The teams have to put aside $5mil for rookies. Also, Solari (NT) was tagged last year. If they didn't get a long term on him and tagged him again it'd be $15 mil right off the cap.

If Manning is going to do an incentive based, where exampled by Schefter on Mike & Mike this morning, say a $10mil start of the season with $5mil starting 8 games and additional $5mil at 16 games - can the Phins really afford Manning?

You'd think besides the above, the Phins would be pretty strapped to do anything in FA as well.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Get Manning, Get Flynn, Get Foles...fill some other holes and now we're talking...

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

^^^ That can't be serious.