Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You can have excellent depth everywhere. Certain injuries hurt more than others.

As far as strength of schedule for 2012...

Redskins Strength of Schedule is One of the Toughest Based on Many Different Statistical Looks - Hogs Haven

Our division is ehhhh. Giants twice. Bucs and vikes were on downslide when we played em. Got the rams, browns, panthers. Saints were god awful. Falcons giants steelers and kind of the ravens are the only real good teams on the schedule.

[#56fanatic]

Shanny should NOT be fired. Lets throw out the 1st year. In my opinion that was a year to see if we could compete with the roster we had, and obviously that didn't happen. I believe it takes 3 years to turn a roster over from free agents to draft picks in order to show progress. Our roster was over aged, and over paid. Now we have young players at key positions that can help us for years to come. I dont think Haslett should be fired either. They are playing without 4/5 starters, two in the safety spot. THat is huge. I am surprised we didn't/haven't taken a look at Route to be honest.
But Shanny is moving this team in the right direction and needs to be given the time to make it work. Dallas and PHilly are going through major changes. Now is our time to stay the course and compete for the division title. Maybe not this year, but maybe next. Giants are getting older as well. IF we stay the course we can be steps ahead of those teams and have young players to stay on top for many years.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

it truly will never end

It might if we were in the ****in mix, and not an uber disappointment all the time. Even with the NFCE ripe for the taking, we still are spinning our tires in the cellar. That is what fans are frustrated about, so instead of taking aim at the fans that expect more from a "Hall of fame coach" who has done absolutely nothing without John Elway, why not join on in? Its fun. And its the right thing to do.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You can have excellent depth everywhere. Certain injuries hurt more than others.

As far as strength of schedule for 2012...

Redskins Strength of Schedule is One of the Toughest Based on Many Different Statistical Looks - Hogs Haven

Mattyk, that was from before the season. Thats so selective pulling that out. Just look at what happened during the first 5 weeks of the season.

Noone knew who the good teams were. The wrong teams were winning based on projections, power rankings, SOS, all that BS released before the season. If there was any year that BS strength of schedule that came out prior to the season has absolutely no relevance, its this year. You should know that. Lets pull a strength of schedule that has been taken after the first half of the year based on real play, rather than projections in July when teams rosters aren't even fully set yet. I guarantee you we wouldnt have among the most difficult in the league. Nowhere close. We are absolutely underachieving, injuries penalties options and all. JEEEZZZ.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

It might if we were in the ****in mix, and not an uber disappointment all the time. Even with the NFCE ripe for the taking, we still are spinning our tires in the cellar. That is what fans are frustrated about, so instead of taking aim at the fans that expect more from a "Hall of fame coach" who has done absolutely nothing without John Elway, why not join on in? Its fun. And its the right thing to do.

Ummm excuse me Mike went to the playoffs since then which is almost like winning another SB because he played in the toughest division ever which science proves and all the idiots who talk about his win/loss record over the last three years can't see the big picture which is to say the rest of the teams in our division will get worse someday and then we can compete. I mean, pay the f*ck attention

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Mattyk, that was from before the season. Thats so selective pulling that out. Just look at what happened during the first 5 weeks of the season.

Noone knew who the good teams were. The wrong teams were winning based on projections, power rankings, SOS, all that BS released before the season. If there was any year that BS strength of schedule that came out prior to the season has absolutely no relevance, its this year. You should know that. Lets pull a strength of schedule that has been taken after the first half of the year based on real play, rather than projections in July when teams rosters aren't even fully set yet. I guarantee you we wouldnt have among the most difficult in the league. Nowhere close. We are absolutely underachieving, injuries penalties options and all. JEEEZZZ.

If you can find an updated SOS feel free to post it. Bottom line is coming into the season our schedule was pretty tough on paper. Feel free to prove otherwise.

[htownskinfan]

speaking of getting fired,Lakers fire their coach after 5 games? WTF? Thats fast

[SmootSmack]

I don't think we should have hired him so I suppose I should think we shoukd fire him, but then that would mean I agree with (insert name) and that just sucks

[los panda]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think we should have hired him so I suppose I should think we shoukd fire him, but then that would mean I agree with michael paré and that just sucks

what's the beef?

[InsaneBoost]

Shanahan is lucky RGIII is here, even though he (RGIII) feels that they (Shanahan's) don't trust him. Players already said **** Shanahan, but keep playing cause RGIII won't quit. Without RGIII, this would be BAD right now.

Dan won't fire Shanny though.

[HTTR247]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Shanny should NOT be fired. Lets throw out the 1st year. In my opinion that was a year to see if we could compete with the roster we had, and obviously that didn't happen.

You can't just toss out a season like it never existed. Last week in the Monday "Evaluation part deux" presser, Shanny said he knew when he took the job the team was old and needed to get younger which they started in year 1. That comment was a head scratcher because he traded and signed older players like Galloway,Mcnabb, Johnson,Parker ,and (insert name). Actions said he thought he could win AND rebuild simultaneously.

I believe it takes 3 years to turn a roster over from free agents to draft picks in order to show progress. Our roster was over aged, and over paid. Now we have young players at key positions that can help us for years to come.

We are in year 3 and do have some nice young talent but not nearly enough.

I dont think Haslett should be fired either. They are playing without 4/5 starters, two in the safety spot. THat is huge. I am surprised we didn't/haven't taken a look at Route to be honest.

I'm usually not a fan of letting coaches go mid season but Haslett needs to go asap. This team had Haz/player issues carryover from 2011 into 2012 and a player or two are not even on speaking terms with the coach. Some veterans have become increasing frustrated with how he leads the defense. I spoke to a few veterans who have taken issue with the most recent Haslett quote...

"I come to work, I work hard, I do the best I can with what we got and try to put these guys in position to win games and be successful on defense,” “That’s all really I can do.”

Honest or not some of the guys have taken it as Haz blaming them and taking no accountability in the issues. Players have routinely told the media not to blame the scheme or the coach it was on the players to make plays. Guys that have issues with Haslett still went to bat for him with a mic in their face. Defensive lockeroom is fractured and now on gameday you are starting to see no intensity, no fire, no communication, and so on.. Those are all signs that you are losing the unit and getting ready to be fired.

But Shanny is moving this team in the right direction and needs to be given the time to make it work.

I want to see "team going in right direction" but I don't see it at all. I see a team regressing in a year they are suppose to be progressing as a team. I see coaches getting fined for chassing & cussing out refs, Players cussing out refs, One of the most penalized teams in the league. Then tons of dropped balls, can't run the base Shanahan offense because of the LG & RTS play, coaches messing up in the media.

On defense I see the most passive 3-4 unit I think I have ever seen in the NFL. Drives me nuts that we have all 4-3 coaches, coaching a 3-4 defense filled with 4-3 personnel, with a Defensive coordinator that never wanted to run the 3-4 here.

And most of that is not even the tip of the ice berg.

Im not sure where I stand on Mike Shanahan yet.. Everything added up does not paint a picture of future success under his guidance unless changes are made.

Hasletts ticket for departure will come anytime after Thanksgiving. Kyle is not guaranteed to stay with the organization either. You could be looking at a new DC & OC entering year 4/5 and that to me is a mess. Year 4 is when you usually have to decide if you are going to extend a coach or enter the infamous last year of the contract with no extension aka " lame duck coach" .

So how would Shanahan improve the team with -18 million, little draft picks, new DC, new OC, possible new DL coach , and a lot of needs??

You are almost at the point that it might be better to cut bait from Mike and start the process again around RG3. I cant believe I said it but its how I feel. Shanny is not going to coach forever and he likely wont be here past 5 IF he makes it that long. so what are you losing?

Some will say you are losing a year of RG3s development..True but if Mike sucks it up in 2013 and is gone then you have wasted 2 years. The problem will just compound.

Maybe I would have a different view if I haven't heard from some folks at the park that they are not sold on Shanahan.. and these were not players.

Sorry fro the rant.. HTTR

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by HTTR247

Shanny said he knew when he took the job the team was old and needed to get younger which they started in year 1. That comment was a head scratcher because he traded and signed older players like Galloway,Mcnabb, Johnson,Parker ,and (insert name). Actions said he thought he could win AND rebuild simultaneously.

I concur. I was against the McNabb trade and on the fence with the Brown trade. It was pretty foolish. I knew McNabb was overrated and what talent he did have was gone. If you take back those picks we gave up, we could potentially have 3 starters (or depth) out of it.

I do give Mike a pass on the Parker/Johnson/Galloway signing though. Remember, it was the uncapped year with teams using tenders on all their restricted FAs so we had nothing to really work with.

Originally Posted by HTTR247

I'm usually not a fan of letting coaches go mid season but Haslett needs to go asap. This team had Haz/player issues carryover from 2011 into 2012 and a player or two are not even on speaking terms with the coach.

At first I was for waiting till the end of the season, but after it was apparent the defensive squad had stopped responding to this man, I wanted him out during this bye week. The team that played against Atlanta isn't the same team that played against the Steelers and Panthers. It was very apparent. I still think Mike's biggest downfall could very well be his selection of a DC to run this defense. I realize Jim was option #2, but surely there were other people more qualified than Jim. He had a year to figure this out.

Originally Posted by HTTR247

I see a team regressing in a year they are suppose to be progressing as a team. I see coaches getting fined for chassing & cussing out refs, Players cussing out refs, One of the most penalized teams in the league. Then tons of dropped balls, can't run the base Shanahan offense because of the LG & RTS play, coaches messing up in the media.

Ruhskin and a couple others talked about the penalties the other week and mentioned how it's a clear sign of a undisciplined team or lack of leadership. This falls on Mike. Plain and simple. Mike should have suspended Kyle and Dhall for their parts. After the Morgan bit, he should have dropped the hammer that anymore would result in sitting for a game. He didn't and it's continued.

Originally Posted by HTTR247

Im not sure where I stand on Mike Shanahan yet.. Everything added up does not paint a picture of future success under his guidance unless changes are made.

I think Mike's ego is getting in the way of some of this. Instead of just correcting the mistake like he did with McNabb, he's going to let this defense thing fester until it's too late.

I personally think he will not succeed here, but he will have a good base built for the next guy to come and get all the credit for turning around. I hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by HTTR247

So how would Shanahan improve the team with -18 million, little draft picks, new DC, new OC, possible new DL coach , and a lot of needs??

He'll definitely be swimming uphill. Said the other day that I'm not even sure why he took this job knowing it was in the shape it was. Vinny's stench is still haunting this team via capgate. Mike is basically going to have to hit homeruns on all the draft picks this upcoming off-season. He also didn't do himself any favors with the poor FA moves/trades. (McNabb/Brown/Jackson/Meriweather/Morgan)

Originally Posted by HTTR247

Sorry fro the rant.. HTTR

By all means, rant.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Fire Mike Shanahan. Promote Kyle. That would be my dream scenario. Since we probably can't keep Kyle if we fire his dad, hire Gruden as HC but don't give him final say over personnel.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

Shanahan is lucky RGIII is here, even though he (RGIII) feels that they (Shanahan's) don't trust him. Players already said **** Shanahan, but keep playing cause RGIII won't quit. Without RGIII, this would be BAD right now.

Dan won't fire Shanny though.

I love wherr people get this kind of intel. Its like they are in the locker room.


Once upon a time......Shanahan was asked to coach and take over a glorious franchise in which he was offered all of king midus gold just to turn it around. In which he did, and all the people rejoiced right before they all died of small pocs. Them Shanahan had tea with his leader and they spoke of the glory days.

You know what? It is fun making up stories

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I love wherr people get this kind of intel. Its like they are in the locker room.


You know what? It is fun making up stories

I generally agree with you on these types of things, but this one happens to be true.