Lavar Gone

Schneed10 · 03-06-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You act like he is 35 years old. He is 27!!! not even is his prime. He bulked up because of the knee troubles, he played his ass off the last 5 games, had 12 tackles in two playoff games, int. Its going to be a mistake.

But two straight years of knee problems? If I were a gambling man, which I am, I'd put a fair amount of money down that says his knees/legs still won't be right going into next year.

Knee problems don't hang around for 2 years if they're fixable. I think something is chronically wrong with his leg.

Twilbert07 · 03-06-2006, 10:05 AM

Wherever Lavar ends up, I'm sure he'll score at least one defensive TD against the Skins and join the long list of ex-Skins who have hurt us at least once.

But, all in all, the move had to be made.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-06-2006, 10:08 AM

Just not the Cowboys. :vomit:

JoeRedskin · 03-06-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I think Lavar and Williams have had issues the whole time that Williams has been with Washington. Williams will probably be here for a while and our next head coach. The team and Lavar know this and may have just thought it was time to part ways.

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-06-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

Not quite yet. You just KNOW this thing will hang around for MONTHS (especially if he goes to an NFC East team).

SmootSmack · 03-06-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CRT3

I know it is said when describing most things that are bad, but Mods please remove the phrase of mild cancer. There is nothing mild about cancer, either you have it or you don't. Out of respect for me, would you please remove it?

I've gone ahead and edited it

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 10:32 AM

he only saves 4mill. if he stayed we'd have to ditch him eventually cause with a dead cba we couldn't afford his bonus. we don't have to pay the bonus, but he still counts as 8.8mill in deadcap (instead of 12.8). I assume he bought out his own contract cause they couldn't restructure his base and deal with his huge bonus while possibly keeping him with the team (not that they wanted to).

Its possible we ditched him to resign him, but i doubt it. GW never liked him just like gibbs was never into PR, now they're both gone.

If a player gives bonus money back, i believe they can't be traded, only released.

now there are zero distractions in the lockerroom and only one off field (taylor) guy.

drew54 · 03-06-2006, 10:42 AM

I think he will end up in a Steelers uniform. Maybe a Browns uniform.

irish · 03-06-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by drew54

I think he will end up in a Steelers uniform. Maybe a Browns uniform.

LAs too rich for the steelers blood.

skins052bgr8 · 03-06-2006, 10:49 AM

Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

CRT3 · 03-06-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I've gone ahead and edited it

Thanks Dude.... And Sammy, we agreed on somthing, times are a changing.

And Joe, you said LaVar was a class Redskin. I love LaVar, but class is not somthing I would describe him as, classic is more like it.

SmootSmack · 03-06-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

I think he has a "deal" in place somewhere already and he wanted to get out of his Redskins contract right away so he can sign as soon as possible with the new team.

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

if he didn't give money back, then the skins release him july 14th and no one has money to sign him with anymore.

irish · 03-06-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

if he didn't give money back, then the skins release him july 14th and no one has money to sign him with anymore.

Yes, in reality the skins did LA a favor by dumping him now so he could maybe catch on somewhere else.

freddyg12 · 03-06-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

Well said. when coaches are willing to publicly chide a player, they're really frustrated.

View Poll Results: How do you feel about LaVar's release?
It's good, he was overrated, expensive, and distracting	28	16.77%
It's good and we needed the cap room	21	12.57%
It sucks, but we needed the cap room	75	44.91%
It sucks, he was the face of our team for years	43	25.75%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

03-06-2006, 10:05 AM	#122
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 59 Posts: 594	Re: Lavar Gone Wherever Lavar ends up, I'm sure he'll score at least one defensive TD against the Skins and join the long list of ex-Skins who have hurt us at least once. But, all in all, the move had to be made. __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

03-06-2006, 10:08 AM	#123
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Lavar Gone Just not the Cowboys. :vomit: __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-06-2006, 10:32 AM	#127
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Lavar Gone he only saves 4mill. if he stayed we'd have to ditch him eventually cause with a dead cba we couldn't afford his bonus. we don't have to pay the bonus, but he still counts as 8.8mill in deadcap (instead of 12.8). I assume he bought out his own contract cause they couldn't restructure his base and deal with his huge bonus while possibly keeping him with the team (not that they wanted to). Its possible we ditched him to resign him, but i doubt it. GW never liked him just like gibbs was never into PR, now they're both gone. If a player gives bonus money back, i believe they can't be traded, only released. now there are zero distractions in the lockerroom and only one off field (taylor) guy.

03-06-2006, 10:42 AM	#128
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Lavar Gone I think he will end up in a Steelers uniform. Maybe a Browns uniform. __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

03-06-2006, 10:49 AM	#130
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 288	Re: Lavar Gone Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

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