Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

Pocket$ $traight · 09-18-2006, 10:11 AM

John Madden says Brunell is the problem.

Doc Walker says Brunell is the problem.

I just do not understand why Gibbs has chosen Brunell to carry the flag. I was embarrassed for Brunell last night. He looked worse than he did in '04.

Twilbert07 · 09-18-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

John Madden says Brunell is the problem.

Doc Walker says Brunell is the problem.

I just do not understand why Gibbs has chosen Brunell to carry the flag. I was embarrassed for Brunell last night. He looked worse than he did in '04.

I agree 100 percent. Let's hope Gibbs' mind open enough not to let blind faith in No. 8 get in the way. If Brunell starts next week, we lose to the lousy Texans.

VTSkins897 · 09-18-2006, 10:18 AM

can't run if you can't pass

VTSkins897 · 09-18-2006, 10:41 AM

and all last year we thought we didn't have enough bullets but it's seeming more and more that we need a new gun.

oooh i like that.

ChounsMan · 09-18-2006, 10:41 AM

I fully agree to bench Brunell. He clearly will never get any better. He looked lost & without confidence. You could see it in Santana's face when he lined up in the 4thQ that he was done running routes for Brunell.

My reasons for benching Brunell are simple.
1. He never really settled in the pocket & looked deep
2. His rollouts were more like scrambles
3. His arm is weaker then last season
4. Lastly, the D knew that he was uncomfortable & exploited it after the 1stQ
5. Okay, one more reason, Campbell is younger, stronger, faster, & taller to see the entire field & move his feel upfield without cause for any major concern of injury unlike Brunell & his almost 40 body.

Campbell is the future & the future starts in Week 3!!!

The kid needs to learn & Houston is the perfect setting for Campbells debut. Houston will not pressure Campbell enough for him to make any major mistake & the O-line needs a confidence booster in pass protection, like <<HELLO>> block somebody already!

Thank you for letting me speak my mind

12thMan · 09-18-2006, 10:47 AM

Hey, Mods can we merge the Brunell threads?

I'm getting tired of pissing in two pots.

VTSkins897 · 09-18-2006, 10:53 AM

!!!

number21isabadman · 09-18-2006, 12:28 AM

i say screw al saunders, screw adam archeletta screw andre carter and especially screw mark brunell.

Beemnseven · 09-18-2006, 02:11 AM

If Campbell starts the offense will go into the toilet.

/sarcasm.

BMF21 · 09-18-2006, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by number21isabadman

i say screw al saunders, screw adam archeletta screw andre carter and especially screw mark brunell.

and archeletta is the highest paid saftey in the league......this pee wee bastard sucks......and all who supported bringing his overrated ass here.... brunell is dead in the water.......and carter is a waste of jersey

Eight in the Box · 09-18-2006, 08:31 AM

Brunell refuses to step up in the pocket and take advantage of the pocket the O-line creates. If you watch the film, while both teams DE's were regularly being forced outside of and behind QB, Bledsoe would step in the pocket and make a play while Brunell would sit there on his heels and get sacked or throw it into the grass.

About halfway through the 4th with the Cowboys in prevent he actually began to step in the pocket and get rid of the ball. Its remarkable how much that improved the pace of his passes. I know it was garbage time, but the difference was blatantly obvious.

I think our O-line gave him nice pockets and afforded him plenty of time to make plays, but he just scared or incapable of making them. You are telling me that not once was any of the trio of WR's open for a deep ball? Doubtful, Brunell just knew he did not have the arm to make any of the deep throws. If he looks like this now, imagine what he will look like in week 15.

IMO, Brunell needs to sit this week so we can let Campbell get his first start against a soft Texans defense. If Brunell does play, he will throw for 250 and two scores and Gibbs will be back riding his jock and then he will proceed to stink it up and against the Jags D at FedEx on Oct. 1 and we will be right back in the same predicament we are in now. The sooner we start campbell the better. Though he may make some stupid mistakes, the production reward is well worth the risk.

budw38 · 09-18-2006, 03:24 PM

Too bad we gave carter , AA and Loyd 30 million in guaranteed $$$ . You think S. Taylor's agent isn't going to ask for twice what they paid AA ? Any idea who thought that Carter was a good pass rusher ??

SmootSmack · 09-18-2006, 12:33 AM

The whole offense looks out of synch right now, even to the point that I don't know if Gibbs and Saunders have really figured out how they playcalling will work. My gut is that there were several instances today, and on Monday where Gibbs wanted to overrule a Saunders call but was reluctant to. But Dockery can't pass block, the right side can't run block. Betts and Duckett look like they're running in slow motion (no more talk about Portis being just a system back please); the receivers are running 8 yard routes on 3rd and 9; Cooley is not cool, he's just ey (thank you Gmanc711 for that fine piece of writing there); Brunell is throwing floaters...nothing is clicking right now.

And I suppose the easy answer is put in a QB with absolutely no game experience because we're 0-2. He'll probably get destroyed though, it would potentially be more damaging to his psyche to do that to him. Then again, who knows. He does seem a lot tougher mentally than a certain other young QB we just traded away this offseason.

3rd ID SOLDIER · 09-18-2006, 12:42 AM

cambell has the agility to make rushers miss and the arm to get the pass where it needs to be. archuleta sucks and so does andre carter wtf man! i am pissed!

NFLeurope · 09-18-2006, 01:21 AM

My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER.
I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far.

Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason.

I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense...

I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark.

Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington.

I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it.

I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need.

I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc...

That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it.

Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young.

I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.

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09-18-2006, 10:11 AM	#1
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 50 Posts: 4,261	Re: Time to bench Brunell? John Madden says Brunell is the problem. Doc Walker says Brunell is the problem. I just do not understand why Gibbs has chosen Brunell to carry the flag. I was embarrassed for Brunell last night. He looked worse than he did in '04.

09-18-2006, 10:18 AM	#3
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 890	Re: Time to bench Brunell? can't run if you can't pass

09-18-2006, 10:41 AM	#4
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 890	Re: Time to bench Brunell? and all last year we thought we didn't have enough bullets but it's seeming more and more that we need a new gun. oooh i like that.

09-18-2006, 10:41 AM	#5
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 55 Posts: 312	Re: Time to bench Brunell? I fully agree to bench Brunell. He clearly will never get any better. He looked lost & without confidence. You could see it in Santana's face when he lined up in the 4thQ that he was done running routes for Brunell. My reasons for benching Brunell are simple. 1. He never really settled in the pocket & looked deep 2. His rollouts were more like scrambles 3. His arm is weaker then last season 4. Lastly, the D knew that he was uncomfortable & exploited it after the 1stQ 5. Okay, one more reason, Campbell is younger, stronger, faster, & taller to see the entire field & move his feel upfield without cause for any major concern of injury unlike Brunell & his almost 40 body. Campbell is the future & the future starts in Week 3!!! The kid needs to learn & Houston is the perfect setting for Campbells debut. Houston will not pressure Campbell enough for him to make any major mistake & the O-line needs a confidence booster in pass protection, like <<HELLO>> block somebody already! Thank you for letting me speak my mind __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

09-18-2006, 10:47 AM	#6
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Time to bench Brunell? Hey, Mods can we merge the Brunell threads? I'm getting tired of pissing in two pots.

09-18-2006, 10:53 AM	#7
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 890	Re: Time to bench Brunell? !!!

09-18-2006, 12:28 AM	#8
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 40 Posts: 157	Re: Bench Brunell i say screw al saunders, screw adam archeletta screw andre carter and especially screw mark brunell.

09-18-2006, 02:11 AM	#9
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: Bench Brunell If Campbell starts the offense will go into the toilet. /sarcasm.

09-18-2006, 08:31 AM	#11
Eight in the Box Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 42 Posts: 55	Re: Bench Brunell Brunell refuses to step up in the pocket and take advantage of the pocket the O-line creates. If you watch the film, while both teams DE's were regularly being forced outside of and behind QB, Bledsoe would step in the pocket and make a play while Brunell would sit there on his heels and get sacked or throw it into the grass. About halfway through the 4th with the Cowboys in prevent he actually began to step in the pocket and get rid of the ball. Its remarkable how much that improved the pace of his passes. I know it was garbage time, but the difference was blatantly obvious. I think our O-line gave him nice pockets and afforded him plenty of time to make plays, but he just scared or incapable of making them. You are telling me that not once was any of the trio of WR's open for a deep ball? Doubtful, Brunell just knew he did not have the arm to make any of the deep throws. If he looks like this now, imagine what he will look like in week 15. IMO, Brunell needs to sit this week so we can let Campbell get his first start against a soft Texans defense. If Brunell does play, he will throw for 250 and two scores and Gibbs will be back riding his jock and then he will proceed to stink it up and against the Jags D at FedEx on Oct. 1 and we will be right back in the same predicament we are in now. The sooner we start campbell the better. Though he may make some stupid mistakes, the production reward is well worth the risk. __________________ "If I'm the fourth receiver, then that tells you how good we're going to be" - David Patten HE LIED

09-18-2006, 03:24 PM	#12
budw38 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,706	Re: Bench Brunell Too bad we gave carter , AA and Loyd 30 million in guaranteed $$$ . You think S. Taylor's agent isn't going to ask for twice what they paid AA ? Any idea who thought that Carter was a good pass rusher ??

09-18-2006, 12:33 AM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Bench Brunell The whole offense looks out of synch right now, even to the point that I don't know if Gibbs and Saunders have really figured out how they playcalling will work. My gut is that there were several instances today, and on Monday where Gibbs wanted to overrule a Saunders call but was reluctant to. But Dockery can't pass block, the right side can't run block. Betts and Duckett look like they're running in slow motion (no more talk about Portis being just a system back please); the receivers are running 8 yard routes on 3rd and 9; Cooley is not cool, he's just ey (thank you Gmanc711 for that fine piece of writing there); Brunell is throwing floaters...nothing is clicking right now. And I suppose the easy answer is put in a QB with absolutely no game experience because we're 0-2. He'll probably get destroyed though, it would potentially be more damaging to his psyche to do that to him. Then again, who knows. He does seem a lot tougher mentally than a certain other young QB we just traded away this offseason. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-18-2006, 12:42 AM	#14
3rd ID SOLDIER Special Teams Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 197	Re: Bench Brunell cambell has the agility to make rushers miss and the arm to get the pass where it needs to be. archuleta sucks and so does andre carter wtf man! i am pissed! __________________ YALL DON'T WANNA SEE ME SHINE THAT'S OKAY CAUSE I LOVE ME SOME ME BELIEVE IT!!

09-18-2006, 01:21 AM	#15
NFLeurope Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 85	Re: Bench Brunell My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER. I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far. Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason. I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense... I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark. Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington. I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it. I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need. I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc... That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it. Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young. I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.

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